Well, some of the Claymates seem to think that we here have been "busted".
They are also coming up with and speaking out about all kinds of mind numbingly ridiculous conspiracy theories. JP has still not come through with his promised press conference and you can read the rantings of the addled brained below:
"History Repeats Itself"
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In light of the John Paulus confession and in light of the fact that he mentioned that the webam escapade was really a conversation between Clay and some women, someone figured it was time to bring out the proof that there was NO webcam escapade. It didn't happen, folks, with anyone. Here is a dose of history (with some additions) for those who want a refresher and for those who never saw ..... THE BIG BUST!http://anti-fans-411.blogspot.com/
posted by Oh Crap at 5:21 PM on Mar 7, 2007
Anonymous said...
IF we ever find out who started this mess, I would really like to know why Clay Aiken is so threatening to anyone!It seems to be too childish that fans of other idols would go to the lengths seen here and elswhere to ruin a person.Why Clay Aiken? The answer to that question REALLY needs to be answered.
4:03 AM
Oh Crap said...
Anon, that is a question I hope we find the answer to someday. I've had a few theories and sometimes either of those or the little blips that dart across my mind seem so far fetched but then so did most of the past years events.Theory 1: JP was a stalker with stars in his eyes for the most beautiful man on the planet and would never be satisfied until he was noticed even if it meant tearing up his innocent victim's reputation just to be able to breathe the same air in a Court of Law...at all costs to himself. He just happened to fall into Groucho's and Emach's lap after they were caught teaming up and plotting back in July or August 2005 for "something big" to take Clay down.Theory 2: Emach and Groucho and/or possibly others teamed up to run the scam and found JP a viable front man... this is what Paulus is claiming.Theory 3: The Clive/RCA Conspiracy. This one seems more and more possible to me everyday and I don't think it's so much about the "Rotting insides" remark but more about Clay refusing to compromise his own standards. We've all seen Clay "edgy" in concert (HAVE MERCY) but he's not going to let himself be known for or be seen on TV displaying crass behavior, drunk and brawling, a heartless womanizer. He WANTS to be the best person he can be and I don't think he wants to be perfect, just a decent human being. Because the music industry is so warped in thinking that "good" behavior doesn't sell, THEY had to dirty him up and teach him a lesson at the same time. "Compromise as we say, even if you lose yourself completely. OR ELSE." What I keep coming up with, though, in my mind is that it's an RCA hit... Clive to Roger to Goldman and OC slime, filtered down from there to the subslime of Gay activists/gossip mongers who are very adept at character assassination. The thing in all this is that Clay is the stronger so this is one time that good wins over evil. Clay didn't have to do a thing; he let them all self destruct with our help. He didn't need to get into this thing...he had us.This sounds more like material for a new blog instead of a comment.
7:09 AM
Oh Crap said...
Actually, it sounds like the Goddamned Twilight Zone and Outer Limits combined.
7:12 AM
Anonymous said...
My version of history-2003 An embittered hardcore group of R u b e n fans hatch a plan for revenge and an attempt to clear the way for their Idol. Being the homophobes that they are, they decided the best way to make Clay appear ridiculous was to make him appear to be gay. They got busy setting up accounts that could look like Clay on various gay male social sites. At some point they looked for a real person in Raleigh to try to stage a series of documentable emails. This is when they found Mr. JP. Quite a friendship they struck up too, convincing JP that Mr. CA was an unworthy person and that he'd be doing the world a favor. They fed his ego, stroked his insanity, and promised him an intro to a famous name in the porn world, Mr. ML. You see, one of our haters knows how to contact people in the entertainment and journalism field. Mr ML's headquarters are conviently located in Manhattan. Working in tandem with a gossip blogger, also conveniently located, the plan was well under way.Meanwhile, letter writing campaigns to descredit Mr. CA in any way possible continued.In life, like seems to find like and the internet is no different. Some of the most depraved, confused and bitter were attracted to the online event known as "the mess"Let's not get confused. There may have been some cling ons along the way, but the ones behind this fraud were the very ones that were discovered talking about some of their activities on their boards and giggled and smirked about all their manhunt activities. I guess they didn't think we were watching them just because we were not confronting them.
9:59 AM
nzclaynz said...
You know, they say that truth is sometimes stranger than fiction - that is definitely true here.I'm still not sure about RCA - but I have to admit - I'm more inclined to believe it now after learning a few things from y'all about the nasty little connections.The haters definitely set the ball rolling with their manhunt accounts and impersonating Clay all over the internet.And I do believe that while JP has 'embellished' his story (it is what he's good at after all), that the seeds of the real truth lie in amongst the manure.No - Clay didn't need to do anything. He knows that we KNOW what the real truth is. He's standing still and letting the Lord fight for him.
1:12 PM
Anonymous said...
****Do not publish****I am the other admin. from the blog you've been talking about. It's laughable that you can even compare us to Tinny's! Both of us admins. are fans, as are most of the people there. We are just a blog that allows open discussion, discussion that's not allowed on most of the boards! We do not delete fans comments.. a few were deleted yesterday, because they referred to WSCA and conspiracy theories. I also find that funny because how many comments do you not publish because they don't fall in line with your way of thinking? We only delete the ones that we think may cause trouble. And rest assured, I am a fan.. in fact, I use to post right alongside you on a board! So please, leave our little corner of the internet alone. Thanks! :)
2:22 PM
Anonymous said...
Anon 2:27......How can you be a fan and have an agenda that causes harm to Clay?
2:35 PM
Oh Crap said...
You are fans alright but not of Clay. I gave the first person the courtesy of not having her comment published but as I watched and you started deleting any comment from Clay's actual fans that offered proof of the TRUTH, you deleted them. Why is that? It wasn't because it would cause trouble unless you think that the TRUTH is trouble for your little game.Your bluff has been called.
2:43 PM
Anonymous said...
I believe RCA's part in this was that they did nothing to help Clay. They may have hoped to benefit somehow in the climate of the publicity as leverage in dealing with Clay. Somehow I feel like all is well now.
4:02 PM
nzclaynz said...
OhCrap - you did good my friend. I have not been to that blog, but have read the comments and hear from others who say certain comments get deleted. To those that run that blog - Don't make the mistake that JP and others have of assuming that we're stupid. You may be fans, but your definition of "fan" is different to ours. It's clear that your agenda is not a "neutral" one. We've been fed bullshit long enough to know it's stink from a mile away...If you really ARE fans of Clay Aiken - then you'll do the right thing by pulling your blog. But you won't. After all - it's all about "having your say"; no matter who it hurts - right?
7:35 PM
Anonymous said...
I think RCA was behind the scam and JP is using the haters as scapegoats. It would be difficult to prove the haters were behind it, but the fingerpointing would go in their direction; therefore, the real culprits go free. Unless a crime was committed and the lawyers want to go after someone. I doubt that would happen as it appears to be another day at the office.Of course, I think PaulASS should be outed as a total fraud, and a few of the haters should be humiliated for their role in this.
9:38 PM
Anonymous said...
If RCA was out to get Clay...why wouldn't they just drop him like a hot potato like they did with Justin Guarini?? I don't understand how RCA works and why CLay gets no radio play or if RCA has anything to do with that...But, RCA wants to make money. THey make money off Clay. Even with no radio play. If they have to do a payola to play CLay...they really don't need to. He makes RCA money without the payola. I can't imagine them backstabbing him...would they??? I dunno. Biting one of the fingers that feeds them???
1:09 PM
nzclaynz said...
anon 1.09 - I'm not entirely convinced of any RCA 'plot'. But I have to admit that some of what I've heard about certain people that work there, makes me wonder just a little. It wouldn't be hard to convince me.They wouldn't just dump Clay - because they know that other companies would snap him up before they could say "goodbye Clay". They'd have to devalue him first. And IMO - Clive's 'mandate' of ATDW has hurt Clay's popularity.Just a theory like any other - but I'm still inclined to believe that certain people at RCA dislike Clay intensely...
1:33 PM
Anonymous said...
I understand your point, 1:09PM, but if RCA was so interested in protecting Clay's interests, they would have supported Clay and ATDW and shredded JP's credibility. Especially since it was all a lie. Their actions (or lack of them) speak for themselves. There's a conflict of interest between the label and the franchise. The franchise dictates terms to a certain extent, and seeks to fill whatever box needs filling in the Idol stable. Pop/rock was designated for Daughtry. Clay's own album was deep-sixed in favor of covers, as that was the box designated for Clay. Why else would a superstar be relegated to niche artist status? Plus, he wouldn't outsell the Chosen Ones and Daughtry, despite not winning, was a Chosen One.IF Clay is leaving after this CD, that would give the label the added incentive to devalue him before sending him off to the competition if they could not agree to terms in contract renegotiations.
6:30 PM
crew said...
Hm...very interesting theories. I could also be easily convinced. That was me, "crew", at 1:09, btw. It wouldn't let me put in my username.
5:43 AM
Oh Crap said...
Crew, Blogger has been whacky since I upgraded. Some people never learn that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Trying to improve a product sometimes screws it up totally.
6:29 AM
