Happy Saint Patricks Day!

"If Clay’s career had developed in an honest way being gay would have much less negative impact on hiscareer. Unfortunately, Clay was too greedy to let the opportunity afforded him by an unprecedented number of internet fans go untapped. "

The above quote from the last blog is so true.

Greed has truly been the undoing of Clay Aiken.

Greed kept him from being honest with his fans and the world at large.

Greed is at the root of his jealousy of other performers and therefore, their dislike of him.

Greed was at the root of Clay encouraging his Claymates to "buy 8 copies" and it cost him the respect of others in the industry and those who observe the industry.

At a point when Clay Aiken had a pot of gold before him, greed got the best of him.

Little by little the pot is emptying and Clay has his greed to thank for that. Funny how that worked out.

For everyone else, HAPPY ST. PADDY'S DAY!

If you're going to party, have fun and be safe!

Thanks to Pugmill for the excellent artwork!

If Clay Aiken Comes Out

Some blogs are so good, you just want to do them again. Such is the case with the blog below, submitted by an anonymous guest blogger.

If Clay Comes Out Could It Spark the Beginning of a

New Battle…in Court?

Clay isn’t the first and won’t be the last celebrityto deny his true sexuality for fear that “gay don’t pay”. While many in the Gay and Lesbian community want to swing the celebrity doors open, it’s understandable why some prefer to stay closeted.

If Clay’s career had developed in an honest way being gay would have much less negative impact on hiscareer. Unfortunately, Clay was too greedy to let the opportunity afforded him by an unprecedented number of internet fans go untapped. This is where the legal vulnerability begins.

Almost everything Clay achieved through fame he achieved dishonestly.

He didn’t win the AMA award in a way that most would consider honest. CD and concert

sales were grossly inflated by multiple purchases.Were it not for his internet fanbase and the relative ease with which he could manipulate it Clay would have enjoyed only a fraction of his early success. The fans were eager to avenge the loss to Ruben and so began an exploitation of good will that eventually developed into a cult following; exploitation being the operative word. Clay had a network of people to help him and was only too happy to reap the rewards…

TV aka TH – T had ties to Clive Davis, he managed a fraudulent “singing” duo called Milli Vanilli when Clive was head of Arista Records. Todd was on the boards from the beginning giving direction to the Claymates on how to help Clay and continued after he formed his own board now known as Red Hot Topic. He wasn’t completely honest about who he was until he was“outed”.

FSL – F was a Claymate who seemed to be on a mission. According to sources she posted on Bolt as Claythud and eventually maneuvered her way into Faye’s world and ultimately into Clay’s world. Mission accomplished one might say. F was/is a lawyer from Chicago and a Director for the Miss Illinois Organization. After she met Clay, “Claythud” made herself useful on the boards as a fan with ties to an“insider” at RCA. She would post both information and instructions to the fans, or “sports fans” as she liked to call them.. “Claythud” was later given a higher profile job as Director of the BAF (and pretty much everything else in Clay’s world). Wherever Clay went F usually followed. Everyone wanted to get close to F in hopes that they could then get close toClay. F said jump and the mates said “how high”. F was a master of manipulation and an extremely important player in Clay’s rise to fame. Without F there would likely be no BAF, no UNICEF, no Presidential Appointment and many other things to be sure.

The Publicists – Clay’s publicists had ties to some of Clay’s more visible internet fans and used them as conduit for conveying and giving instructions.

Mama and Company – Mama and those in her circle of influence made nice with many of the board fans, especially the owners. She made sure that fans would know what Clay needed and when. Of course mama couldn’t be bothered for comment during the times that the shit hit the fan. Mama once said about Clay “what you see is what you get” when people heaped praise upon her seemingly wholesome, pure, goody-two shoes son.

Mama, it turns out, was wrong.

The Friends – Clay’s friends also made nice with some of the board fans. They secretly, and sometimes not so secretly, brought instructions to the fans through selected contacts. None of these fans would ever publicly comment when the scandals began breaking.

Board Owners – Owners and moderators of the boards made sure that not a disparaging word was uttered that might hurt Clay or make the fans less inclined to support him with such fervor. It was as if they had to show their worth to Clay in some way in hopes that they might be rewarded.

Bottom line, Clay had a “Nation” of people working for him.

The fans bought everything Clay was selling, hook, line and sinker. He had the audacity, audience and arrogance to pull it off. He allowed media outlets to promote him as the good Christian mama’s boy who wanted to make the world a better place. Article after article portrayed him this way. He was on the cover of Christian magazines. It was quite a ruse.

The problem is, he was never that guy.

There seems to be enough evidence to make a case for fraud considering the amount of money involved.. It’s one thing for people to attribute qualities to a celebrity that are imagined but quite another thing to do what Clay and those associated with him have done. Many became personally involved with the manipulation knowing Clay was not the person they were selling. There are laws in this country to protect consumers from fraud.

Claymates who want to rant or threaten the “haters”would be wise to note that many of them have been around from the beginning. They know the players, they know the crime, and they know the truth. There are many Claymates and associates of Clay’s that could be a subpoena away from having to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Of course if they would gladly die for Clay, what’s a little perjury?

Clay Aiken: Featured On "Best Week Ever"

Clay Aiken is featured in "Best Week Ever's" caption contest:

What style do you think Clay Aiken was going for here? We’re gonna say it’s “Gilligan Meets ex-Abercrombie-Model Who Turns Gay Tricks for Cash.” Leave your guesses in the comments.

The comments will surely be entertaining!

http://www.bestweekever.tv/2007/03/15/caption-this-name-that-style/

Clay Aiken: Justin Christianson Wants You To Call Him!

This could all be a hoax or whatever, but what the hell, just trying to be helpful here.

A really hot guy (shown above) left this message for Clay in the comments section of Clay Aiken's "MySpace" today. You'll also see it pictured above (you can click to enlarge):

Justin Christianson (Model In The Making)
Mar 14 2007 6:10A Dude when we going to hang out again ? I will give you a call then we can set somethign up when I am in Charlotte or if youjust want to hang we can. holla back at me you have my number (310)651-7160 Call me man also I am e-mailing to your private e-mail as well. Laters Justin

He looks like he would be Clay's type so it would be a shame for Clay to miss this shout-out.

If this message is to be believed, it would appear that Clay Aiken and Justin have hung out already before and Justin has Clay's private e-mail.

On Justin's MySpace survey area, he indicates that the last person he instant messaged with was Clay Aiken, as can also be seen in the photos above.

Hell of a hoax or hell of a hunk Clay Aiken is getting to know! Time will tell!

Link to Justin Christianson's MySpace Here:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=158373132

Clay Aiken: He Was Just KEEEDING!!

Was Clay Aiken neutered in his attempt at a "Create Your Own Scandal" contest?

It would seem so. The story got a pick up here:

Clay Aikens Build Your Own Scandal Blog Challenge Was AHoax.
post from NoControl: The Best Television Blog Posts on 14 March 2007 11:41:00 AM. © NoControl: The Best Television Blog Posts
Article Written By T.S. Owner Of The Clay Aiken Fraud Squad

Clay Aiken Fighting Back: He Was Just Keeeeding!!

Most have probably heard of the "Scandal 2007" blog that Clay Aiken wrote to his Official Fan Club in the wee hours of February 1, 2007. It received a lot of publicity at the time because it seemed that Clay Aiken was "fighting back" against the tabloids that he so often finds himself in.

For those of you who might not have seen the blog, here it is again.

It seems over the past few weeks, the tabloids and gossip mongers havehad their hands full coming up with new and exciting "scandals" for me to bea part of. Yet, for all of their efforts to be on the "cutting edge" and theforefront of bull$#@& journalism, it seems that some of them may be runningout of ideas and resorting to recycling and re-hashing some of their oldertall tales. How sad!?

With this in mind, we thought maybe we would try to give them a finger....er.. a hand.

For all of the contests that we hold here on the OFC, this one promises tobe one of my favorites.Build-Your-Own-Scandal!

That's right! Let's show off the creative abilities of the greatest group of fans on Earth.

The contest is simple, but will require some thinking and planning...

Come up with the most outlandish story you can that places me (either alone or with others close to me) in a really juicy/tawdry/scandalous/shamefulstory.

Then, use any photos, videos, audio clips of me that you can find along withyour favorite multimedia enhancing/"doctoring" program (like a PhotoShop ora sound/video editor) to create your "evidence"!

Maybe you have "pictures" of me being "abducted by oversized turnips"... or... "video" of me "dancing with a three legged gorilla".

Be creative!

You'll submit your "story" and "evidence" to an address that you'll findonline here at the OFC very soon.

I'll personally pick the "story" that not only is most creative, but has themost CONVINCING and REALISTIC looking "evidence"!

(It obviously can't be that hard to come up with!)

The winner(s) will be featured here... PLUS... there will be a great prizeto go along with the honor of being the creator of "Scandal 2007"

This one is gonna be fun!!

Feel free to get started thinking...but, keep your eye out for details onrules/requirements for entry and deadlines and prizes. they be announcedhere soon.

Happy Fabricating!!

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Current Mood: Excited

This blog was written by Clay Aiken in the early hours of the morning before he was to appear on Good Morning America to promote UNICEF.

There was great rejoicing among Clay's fan base that "their man" was finally "fighting back". Clay Aiken's blog was picked up by many internet media outlets and some sites even created their own entries.

But guess what?

Now that over a month has passed with no further word regarding this"contest", word has come through Clay Aiken's Official Fan Club that Clay was just "being snarky".

Here is the official announcement at the fan club that Clay's blog was all"snark".

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Ok, I found out from the Admin that the blog was nothing more than snark sonobody has to go and dream up any tabloid stories...Clay was only jokingwhen he posted it..

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There was a lot of mixed reaction to this announcement from the members of the Official Fan Club who take Clay Aiken at his word and it can be read at this site:

http://claymate411.blogspot.com/2007/03/clay-aiken-ofc-discusses-his-snark.htmlRead The Full Article:

http://tv.blogdig.net/archives/articles/March2007/14/Clay_Aikens_Build_Your_Own_Scandal_Blog_Challenge_Was_A_Hoax.html

American Idol : Top 12 Performance Show

The Top 12 are performing tonight. Discuss....

Clay Aiken: The OFC Discusses His "Snark" Contest

What??? Clay Aiken was just being "snarky" when he issued his "Scandal 2007" blog?

Well, gee, Clay, if that's the case, why didn't you say so sooner? There was a lot of disagreement among your fan base when that whole thing came about and you could have laid it all to rest and saved your fans some time getting their entries ready if you had just said from the beginning that it was "snark".

Let's not forget how seriously some of of your fans took this challenge. You know that now you've made Okclayhoman look like a total fool.:

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A little matter of trust...........I am not trying to cause a problem here, but after having read all the doubts and worries about some of what Clay has said, I felt the need to say this.......Its all about trust.....period......at least in my mind! Not once in these four years has Clay ever given me any reason to not trust him.....not take him at his word.....Clay has said that "It's safe to say there is going to be a tour in 2007......I believe it...I don't see how he could have said it any plainer....I don't look for deep hidden meanings in his blogs..I believe he means what he says.....and even he has said he is aware of how we look for hidden messages.....hidden meanings to what he is saying.....I imagine that must bug him or he would not have said it.....Granted, he has yet to say when the tour is going to start, where and what venues he will be taking this tour but that is understandable...he is still working on that part but I just cannot get over all of the angsting about this......Some still doubt his continuing with the other contest on the OFC.....I do not......I believe Clay is totally serious and is just getting the rules and time ready for it to begin.......We don't , can't know everything at once.....but it always comes.......and in the meantime I hate feeling that we are somehow putting our hands over Clay's mouth......I have trusted Clay from day one and will always trust him!He never stops giving his very best for us.....and for a man who has gone through hell most of last year...that is amazing......There was a time when I was worried that he would just leave us....give it all up...but he took that horrible adversity and came back to us, more determined than ever......happier than I have ever seen him......Clay is a man who does, indeed, walk to the beat of a different drummer....a man who will do what is right and best for him....and in the end, that works out best for us.He loves us back........he trusts us......I can do no less...I will do no less.... not now, not ever.........

Here's the discussion going on at OFC about this "Snarky Clay" topic:


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Ok, I found out from the Admin that the blog was nothing more than snark so nobody has to go and dream up any tabloid stories...Clay was only joking when he posted it...
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Ok, I found out from the Admin that the blog was nothing more than snark so nobody has to go and dream up any tabloid stories...Clay was only joking when he posted it...Thanks CG! I think he got his point across very well!
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thanks for the clarification....
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I always figured it was snark..really....can you imagine it otherwise?
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Thanks CanadianGal, that sure was fun though thinking up some silly scandals. I'm glad that the blog served it's purpose for Clay.
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Ok, I found out from the Admin that the blog was nothing more than snark so nobody has to go and dream up any tabloid stories...Clay was only joking when he posted it...Interesting. I do think it is in the best interest that the rest of the world think he was serious.
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Best.snark.evah then.
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Well that's a huge disappointment. I hope those who worked long and hard on their entries will post them ... somewhere. I want to see them!
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Well, for those of us who have worked up our own scancdal - can we have a thread to post them? I mean I worked hard on the story of cat boy from the Whirled Weekly News!
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Playbiller, I will set up a thread in the Clay In You...BUT before anyone post in the thread, you must pm your story to a mod for approval b/c of the PG-13 rating, and then post it stating which mod gave approval....
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Wouldn't Clay be able to tell us himself if he wanted the contest to no longer be viable? Nothing against the admins or CG, but it seems to me that saying it was a joke and asking people to post the entries should come from him.
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Out-snarked by the master snarkateer! I do hope the blog served its purposes whatever they were. A good thing I didn't try to learn photo-shopping skills.
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I never intended to "enter" the contest anyhow. At the time I did think he meant business...but I'm fine with it being snark. It served its purpose extremely well.
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Wouldn't Clay be able to tell us himself if he wanted the contest to no longer be viable? Nothing against the admins or CG, but it seems to me that saying it was a joke and asking people to post the entries should come from him.I am sure that if Clay wanted it to come from him, he would have blogged about it on Saturday or anytime prior to today, that he didn't tells me he was fine with Admin letting the mods know that it was snark.
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Well that sucks. It is a caution to Clay and his people to pay attention to what his fans are talking about on his own message board. If they had done so they would have known people were taking Clay at his word and spending a lot of time on their "contest" entries. Surely they would have wanted to save us time and trouble if the contest was never to be. I am left with two choices in how to look at this. Either the "nothing more than snark" is a bald face lie to the mod who asked the question or TC is a bit slipshod about this board. All it would have taken to cut this off in a timely manner would have been an earlier message to the board via the mods or, better yet, from the source of the "snark" itself in the same place it originated. Sorry I cannot cut Clay or his team slack on this one. They got good PR coverage out of it but did not give the fans the courtesy of a timely no contest announcement. Shame on him and them.
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Well that's a huge disappointment. I hope those who worked long and hard on their entries will post them ... somewhere. I want to see them! I hear ya, Fountaindawg. I'm also extremely disappointed that it's a no-go. Fear not! I'll be posting my entry at my own site, and I'll also put it up at my OFC Blog, since that doesn't require any approval (no offense to the mods - you know I love you guys!). I've just got one edit to make, plus I need to write the captions for the photoshops my friend did.(psssst.....fountaindawg, don't tell anyone, but I've also got a CSI:Miami parody up one of my sleeves - look for that one soon as well. :s )
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Aw, thanks Butterflyshine. I never finished the pictures - maybe I will just post the story - You know it was really just PG13 - I mean, I am a long time fan of Batboy from the World Weekly News and that is pretty silly stuff. I will PM it to you soon, but right now I am committed to sewing dog beds for a local shelter. I found out the dogs were sleeping towels on cement and that is just not right.ETA (O/T it is easy if you live near an upolstry store that throws out foam and a fabric outlet store, all you need is to make squares and leave a opening so they can pull out the foam to wash it, just sew a few straight lines on a machine. I am not good, but the dogs are not fussy.)
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Clay said to start thinking of ideas. Never once did he say to spend hours and hours writing your stories.I have absolutely no problem with the mods or administration clearing this up. I have moved on to much more important things.....like the summer tour!
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Aw, thanks Butterflyshine. I never finished the pictures - maybe I will just post the story - You know it was really just PG13 - I mean, I am a long time fan of Batboy from the World Weekly News and that is pretty silly stuff. I will PM it to you soon, but right now I am committed to sewing dog beds for a local shelter. I found out the dogs were sleeping towels on cement and that is just not right.Ok, i cleaned out my inbox....and you are right, dogs sleeping on towels on cement not good...i applaud you for knowing how to sew, not sure i could manage that one....
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Wouldn't Clay be able to tell us himself if he wanted the contest to no longer be viable? Nothing against the admins or CG, but it seems to me that saying it was a joke and asking people to post the entries should come from him.Completely agree. There are so many liars out there just waiting to say Clay backed down...I honestly don't know why this had to be posted.
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Just shows that it's not necessary to have insider information to reach the right conclusion.I do think the blog was well-thought-out and well-crafted. It reached its targets precisely. Kudos to Clay and TC.
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Wow. I hope if I am ever right about something my nose will not be so far up in the air that I would drown in a rain shower.
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I'm happy it was just a hoax, but I really had a cute tabloid story that I made up for Clay and got pics and videos for it too! I'll give you an hint that my story was about Clay and Raleigh...LOL!!!
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Wow. I hope if I am ever right about something my nose will not be so far up in the air that I would drown in a rain shower.nigelsmom, in all fairness, those few of us who doubted the existence of the contest did get a lot of crap around here. Feel free to sling some of more of it at me the next time I'm wrong, which will probably be sooner rather than later. It can be added to all the crap I get in the radio threads I post in.
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So if the stories still get posted here they may end up all over the internet anyway. Are you sure that Clay wants it that way? Did the admins OK a thread like that?
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I am sure that if Clay wanted it to come from him, he would have blogged about it on Saturday or anytime prior to today, that he didn't tells me he was fine with Admin letting the mods know that it was snark.I guess that is where we disagree. I don't think he would ever let word pass down through his admins via a mod about how to take his blogs or what he meant by them.
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I guess that is where we disagree. I don't think he would ever let word pass down through his admins via a mod about how to take his blogs or what he meant by them.Obviously he would because he just did...the word was given to us and I posted it, like I said I would...if Clay chooses to address it, he would or will but until then you have had the message delivered by a Mod...
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My guess is, as someone posted above, that legalities might have prevented the contest from happening. If indeed Clay came up with the idea on a whim and didn't really research anything legally I could see that happening. I'd guess anything involving pictures and audio and video could get at copyright issues which Clay may not have considered at the time.I did and still do believe Clay was serious about the blog contest at the time. He's had numerous opportunities to speak about it including his recent blog and did not. I can't imagine why he'd go through third parties to say this when he could easily have done so himself. And which would have been much more effective I think had he posted himself. And why it would take a month for that to happen. Just seems odd. With third party messages there's always the possibility things got lost in translation. I'm thinking that's a possibility here. That the third party message that this was snark, involved some 'lost translation' along the way. Maybe a message that the contest wasn't official or just at the idea stage and didn't work out came to be heard as 'not real' and somehow that became 'snark'. Maybe that's why it took a month to say what could have been said in a day. The staff here knew about the reaction to the contest and the fan reaction taking it seriously as staff posted in the threads and responded to questions about it. If this was snark or a joke at the time, Clay would have known it immediately and could have cleared things up a month ago. But if the issues was legalities, maybe it took time before the folks involved in researching the contest realized there were problems. That seems more plausible than not saying anything for a month.The same snark could easily have been made without mentioning upcoming rules and guidelines or a site to send entries to be posted later. All that made this seem like a legitimate contest and I think Clay is very good with language and would have sensed that.I think the contest was and I still think is a great idea. I really hope Clay reconsiders. At the very least, if it's not an official contest with a prize that would involve legalities, that there was some informal contest gallery. So I hope people will post their stories, either here or at their own sites. I'm sure there are some already floating around, so the point of the blog was made. And it still makes it tough for serious attempts to fabricate harmful stories to be taken seriously. As they could easily be mistaken for 'fan fabrications. As opposed to journlist fabrications. I don't think it's fair to give responsibility to Clay unless we hear from him directly. With a third party there's always the possibility of miscommunication or some missing info that clarifies things. I do think Clay wanted this contest to happen and for whatever reason, possibly legalities, it didn't. Hopefully Clay can address this directly so he can explain and clarify. Anyway, I do plan to enjoy all entries people post, wherever they post them.
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I always figured it was snark..really....can you imagine it otherwise?some people were imagining it otherwise, there was nothhing in the blog that led people to believe it wasnt serious. I wanst working on a project, but I can imagine how others feel that were.
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At the time I did think he meant business...but I'm fine with it being snark. It served its purpose extremely well.I agree.And, it was an awesome blog. It's not important to me who's right or wrong in regard to the original intent of the blog... continuing to support Clay is what matters.And, us aside, *g* I have no idea who else is on Clay's "Team".
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Obviously he would because he just did...the word was given to us and I posted it, like I said I would...if Clay chooses to address it, he would or will but until then you have had the message delivered by a Mod...I do agree that we got a message delivered by a mod from admins. Two out of three ain't bad?
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So if the stories still get posted here they may end up all over the internet anyway. Are you sure that Clay wants it that way? Did the admins OK a thread like that?I agree. I'm not sure it's a great idea to allow a thread, even if entries are pre-screened. I know you may be trying to do a favor to posters who worked on an entry, but there's more to consider than PG ratings. There's potential use of copyrighted material. There's potential use of other celebrity images. There's use of pictures that came from other posters. And invariably the entries will likely end up at other sites, friendly and unfriendly. Actually these are all issues that may have made the contest difficult to run anyway.
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I agree. I'm not sure it's a great idea to allow a thread, even if entries are pre-screened. I know you may be trying to do a favor to posters who worked on an entry, but there's more to consider than PG ratings. There's potential use of copyrighted material. There's potential use of other celebrity images. There's use of pictures that came from other posters. And invariably the entries will likely end up at other sites, friendly and unfriendly. Actually these are all issues that may have made the contest difficult to run anyway.Exactly.......I think this goes beyond the Admins okaying it. How about Clay's legal team?
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(psssst.....fountaindawg, don't tell anyone, but I've also got a CSI:Miami parody up one of my sleeves - look for that one soon as well. :s)Yeeeeehaaaaaawwwww! If your 'CSI' parody is anywhere near as good as your "Law & Order" ones, I cannot wait!
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Yeeeeehaaaaaawwwww! If your 'CSI' parody is anywhere near as good as your "Law & Order" ones, I cannot wait!here you go f-dawg....
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Clay should have told everyone sooner and he should have told them himself. It's called common courtesy.
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WORD, clayscience21.
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I strongly advise the mods to not take it upon themselfs to okay the posting of these on Clay's OFC. There is no contest for a reason. Consider that it could very well get Clay in trouble with his label. Please get permission first. Just saying.
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Clay should have told everyone sooner and he should have told them himself. It's called common courtesy.I think this is alot more than asking for courtesy. Clay sounded angry to and frustrated in his blog. He has been through alot with this thing. For the record, I never thought it was a real contest. I let it drop a long time ago. I don't want him to explain any of what he was feeling. I don't know how he put up with this stuff for so long and not say anything. Two headed-bat boys are one thing, but he was attacked badly, and repeatedly. I think its a good idea to let it go. Let some doubt linger in the minds of certain people.
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I agree. I'm not sure it's a great idea to allow a thread, even if entries are pre-screened. I know you may be trying to do a favor to posters who worked on an entry, but there's more to consider than PG ratings. There's potential use of copyrighted material. There's potential use of other celebrity images. There's use of pictures that came from other posters. And invariably the entries will likely end up at other sites, friendly and unfriendly. Actually these are all issues that may have made the contest difficult to run anyway.I agree.... and I would have much preferred hearing this directly from Clay instead of third hand.
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I have no complaints about the contest. I had a blast putting my images together, and wouldn't have missed this for anything. It's possible no one else will find my creation as funny as I did, but I laughed and smiled a lot. Thanks, Clay, for yet another good time.
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For those of you who wanted to hear directly from Clay, you wanted him to blog about it and then have his blog posted in all the usual places, b/c his blog travels all over the place....just curious...don't you think the haters would have a field day with that...
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I just feel like an idiot is all..I think Im a pretty smart person, and there wasnt anything in the blog that read "not real" to me, I would have bet everything I had on the fact that it was real...I just feel stupid for not "catching on" the joke.I bet someone a pop, but I dont remember who it was, so if thats you then pm me lol


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I have no complaints about the contest. I had a blast putting my images together, and wouldn't have missed this for anything. It's possible no one else will find my creation as funny as I did, but I laughed and smiled a lot. Thanks, Clay, for yet another good time.Thanks for your even handed leavel headed post. I think the blog served it's purpose wheather is was EVER going to happen or not the message was there and Brilliant.I'm not so sure that I BUY that Clay NEVER intended for the contest to happen but I trust and respect the reasons he has (what ever they are) for not going through with it.The JOY is back guys, don't let this ruin that.
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I have no complaints about the contest. I had a blast putting my images together, and wouldn't have missed this for anything. It's possible no one else will find my creation as funny as I did, but I laughed and smiled a lot. Thanks, Clay, for yet another good time.*Word* to artquest. Contest or not, I had a lot of fun working on my projest. I admired Clay's blog and I'm glad he had a place to let loose.
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The JOY is back guys, don't let this ruin that. WORD to this statement!As well as this one...
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I agree. I'm not sure it's a great idea to allow a thread, even if entries are pre-screened. I know you may be trying to do a favor to posters who worked on an entry, but there's more to consider than PG ratings. There's potential use of copyrighted material. There's potential use of other celebrity images. There's use of pictures that came from other posters. And invariably the entries will likely end up at other sites, friendly and unfriendly. Actually these are all issues that may have made the contest difficult to run anyway.I agree and you make VERY good points. I do hope the mods will reconsider their idea of a thread posting these stories.
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Thanks BFS this is what I was trying to say.I don't want him to have to blog about this. He was pretty mad when he posted that blog. I want to drop it. I will give him the courtesy of not having to explain anything considering how vicious the attacks on him were.He is a good man, never deserving the stuff said about him.
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For those of you who wanted to hear directly from Clay, you wanted him to blog about it and then have his blog posted in all the usual places, b/c his blog travels all over the place....just curious...don't you think the haters would have a field day with that...With all due respect, they're going to have a field day with it anyhow......
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I don’t think Clay’s blog was meticulously planned by Clay or TC. I loved the blog about the scandal contest for 2 main reasons.One, I think he was very, very angry and fed up when he wrote it, and who did he share his anger with – who did he feel he could safely vent to? – US, his fans! I’m sure he vented plenty to his family and friends, of course; but that he felt secure enough to pour out a blog that was both angry and snark - filled to his fans shows a comfort level that I appreciate and it shows WE have gained his trust. Two - because I believe the blog was spontaneous and Clay didn’t over – think it, it speaks so much of the honesty and bewilderment of his emotions. His frustration is clearly evident, and all that speaks volumes to me. He got his point across very well indeed. I do think he thought we would understand what he meant by it and would read between the lines. I personally didn’t take it as a serious competition. I want to say that I hope some people are ashamed of themselves for spreading rumours and innuendo, but I doubt they get it at all. Don’t worry Clay, your fans get it.
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I don't think it's fair to give responsibility to Clay unless we hear from him directly. With a third party there's always the possibility of miscommunication or some missing info that clarifies things. I do think Clay wanted this contest to happen and for whatever reason, possibly legalities, it didn't. Hopefully Clay can address this directly so he can explain and clarify. Anyway, I do plan to enjoy all entries people post, wherever they post them.Good thinking. Legalities are certainly a possibility. Legalities aside though, wouldn't the contest be difficult to judge considering that what some find humorous, others find offensive... maybe they'll be some sort of predetermined criteria that goes beyond PG13. I would hope so, anyway. And regarding the thread title... even if the contest was not meant to be, I believe that the message was serious.
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Excellent post, daisychain!
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I never intended to "enter" the contest anyhow. At the time I did think he meant business...but I'm fine with it being snark. It served its purpose extremely well.This is me too. I totally believed him, and if I was the least bit kreativv I probably would've spent hours developing something. It was a priceless response to the trash talk.
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For those of you who wanted to hear directly from Clay, you wanted him to blog about it and then have his blog posted in all the usual places, b/c his blog travels all over the place....just curious...don't you think the haters would have a field day with that...just curious?Since you asked. I don't think that most of us expected Clay to say anything. I think most people had pretty much figured out the contest was a bust for whatever reasons (I figured it would never get past all the legal teams) and when he blogged again and didn't include rules, it seemed like almost a given. I think most people had moved on. You have essentially posted FOR Clay. By posting in this way you have IMO caused more of a field day than any statement he would have made himself. Third hand news always seems impersonal.As for his blog getting posted on 'those places'. You don't think this will get posted those places just the same? Anything that makes Clay look bad will get posted. If you don't think this has done that, just take a peek at his fan boards, you don't even need to go to the hater sites.
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Clandy,I agree. I just don't see Clay responding in those terms. He could easily have just said the contest wasn't going to happen. It didn't work out. But how proud he was of our creative efforts. I don't think people would have felt badly with something like that. He could have done that a month ago so people wouldn't have invested time in it. I just can't imagine Clay not recognizing that he'd have to let folks know if the contest wasn't happening eventually. He's a pretty smart guy. He would have to know that waiting would make it worse. And there are so many ways to say the contest wasn't happening that are both truthful and don't make people feel bad. I just can't see Clay saying that.I don't see how a direct message from Clay would be worse than a blunt third party message. I think bloggers would have much more a field day than a direct message from Clay that is nicely worded to make his fans feel good. The whole thing just sounds odd.I think Clay probably had this idea on his own and legalities prevented it. And I'm guessing the 'joke' message was some sort of miscommunication. And that Clay was serious about the blog contest but it simply couldn't happen officially.I think the knowledge that there are fabricated stories out there actually helps stop any possible gossip fabrications. As it confuses the issue. People not only see how easy it is to fake these stories, but they'll know there are lots of fakes floating around. So people will dismiss hater efforts in the same pile.And worse yet, if some blog gets a gossip story that is floating around and they publish it as coming from their known sources and then some known fan says it's their fabrication and they have proof - that blogger has just lost their meal ticket or even worse. The knowledge that their are fan fabricated stories for a contest out there, makes publishing these fabrications very riskly for these sites.I wish this contest could have happened but it still did a great job getting Clay's message about fabricated stories out there. And I'm very thankful for that.And like Clandy said, my joy is there. Clay is kind, talented and brilliant. And I'm lucky to be his fan.
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This is me too. I totally believed him, and if I was the least bit kreativv I probably would've spent hours developing something. It was a priceless response to the trash talk.YES!!!and
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I do not think that either Clay -- or TC -- are deserving of any blame. They had a job to do -- a problem to solve -- and they did it extremely well. To some extent, I suppose, a case could be made that online fans were used. But I sorta think that's what we're here for -- in other words, to support him however we can, whatever it takes.smitten, it's seldom sufficient to take things at face value. All information -- not just what's on the page -- or the screen -- should be evaluated.
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Whether people thought he was serious about a contest or not, it became pretty obvious that it wasn't going to happen when no rules were posted. I guess I'm the lazy sort that wouldn't have spent one minute going beyond "start thinking about it" unless I saw the rules first. My mindset is more geared toward something that "is really going happen"...like summer concerts.
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Thank you Bets, for putting into words my feeling on this.Daisychain - great post.
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For those of you who wanted to hear directly from Clay, you wanted him to blog about it and then have his blog posted in all the usual places, b/c his blog travels all over the place....just curious...don't you think the haters would have a field day with that...Just as they will with the confirmation from mods that there is no contest. I think having just left it as it was would have been the "right" thing to do, ya know, leave them guessing. Or what Bets said.
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Dda,Oh that message was serious all right. Humor can get across some very difficult messages. And Clay did that. Clay is so good at communication. One reason why I always wait to hear from Clay directly on touchy subjects. I just get the sense a direct message from Clay would have sounded much better and might have come across better. And maybe would have had seemed to have a very different meaning.But no matter. Clay said what needed to be said and made his point under very challenging circumstances. And I love how his message about tabloids was the same day as Tyras. Lots of folks standing up and using their voice on a very important issue. I hope more will follow.
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Just as they will with the confirmation from mods that there is no contest. I think having just left it as it was would have been the "right" thing to do, ya know, leave them guessing. Or what Bets said.You've got that right.....too late now.....
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FWIW, I think that Clay was serious when he posted that blog. I believe legal issues prevented the contest from becoming a reality. I, along with a few friends, had a lot of fun working on a scandal. When we didn't hear anymore from Clay after a time, we decided to put it on hold. It was no biggie, really. I thoroughly enjoyed collaborating with friends on on a fun project.I'm not surprised that there is not a real contest. My group knew from the get go that it would be difficult to run a contest like this from a legal standpoint.I'm sure there are haters gleefully proclaiming that Clay backed down on the contest. Big effing deal. I think the contest did do some good in the media and helped Clay and the fans release some pent up anger and frustration. It's been a rough year for all of us.Like a few others, I'm cutting Clay some slack on this. I think if he had blogged about it, it would have gotten more focus so I'm ok with the way it was handled.Time to move on IMO.
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Since you asked. I don't think that most of us expected Clay to say anything. I think most people had pretty much figured out the contest was a bust for whatever reasons (I figured it would never get past all the legal teams) and when he blogged again and didn't include rules, it seemed like almost a given. I think most people had moved on. You have essentially posted FOR Clay. By posting in this way you have IMO caused more of a field day than any statement he would have made himself. Third hand news always seems impersonal.As for his blog getting posted on 'those places'. You don't think this will get posted those places just the same? Anything that makes Clay look bad will get posted. If you don't think this has done that, just take a peek at his fan boards, you don't even need to go to the hater sites.Great post!!!We HAD moved on so bring it up now is just faning the flames.I'm going to make a request of the MODS that this whole subject and thread be removed now.
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I don't get what the big deal is? What do you expect Clay to do?The message was relayed that it was "snark". Is he supposed to apologize because it went over people's heads? Is he supposed to apologize because he asked people to start thinking of ideas and people decided to go crazy? Is he supposed to apologize because fans think they know him and maybe they don't quite know him as well as they think? Is he supposed to apologize because many of them lacked common sense?Perhaps his blog was two-fold? Maybe it was a message to both the haters and the fans?Snark is sarcasm. Sarcasm is used when there is annoyance all the way up to anger. It is not merely used for laughs. It is a nice way to make a point. If you've been snarked at either you got the point or you didn't. Everyone gets annoyed at things. Most of the time people say nothing. Sometimes people say it directly and then you risk people getting hurt and offended and you are seen as mean. Maybe Clay got to a point late last year where he was annoyed enough where saying nothing was no longer an option. Hence all the recent snark. Trying to make points in a nice way.Clay is a smart man but he is also one who has things to say. He enjoys singing without a doubt but he is so much more than that. He wants people to learn and open their eyes to more than just him. He has said numerous times "he doesn't get it". I think he gets it but doesn't get the why. He wants to be supported and appreciated but I doubt he wants to be worshipped which is what many of his fans do. They may not see it that way but when you really look at it...that's what it is.Don't get me wrong. I think Clay likes to have fun but I also think he is a very serious person. Someone who really knows what is important for the short time we are here in life. He makes no secret of his beliefs. He makes no secret of where they fit into in his life. He has never spelled it out but anyone who is really really knowledgeable about Southern Baptists or fundamentalist Christianity should have somewhat of an idea of at least some of the things he believes. Things he says and does to this day support those beliefs.Now I don't profess to know Clay but I do try to understand who he is. But to do that you have to take everything you do know and piece it together and that includes his childhood and upbringing. Many choose to ignore or deny it.Off my soapbox now but had to state my view...which is simply that...my view.
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I'm going to make a request of the MODS that this whole subject and thread be removed now. That's a great idea.
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smitten, it's seldom sufficient to take things at face value. All information -- not just what's on the page -- or the screen -- should be evaluated.well Im sorry that I disagree...I think that my feelings of it not being obvious that it wasnt real are just as valid as those of you that think it was so obvious. It wasnt obvious to me, even after reading plenty of people say it was snark..I didnt get it. so since to you it seems that I obviously should have, it must be blamed on my pure stupidity.for the record, Im not mad at Clay, Im just upset that I dont think there was anything in the blog that pointed that it wasnt real, and I feel "had" as well.
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Is he supposed to apologize because many of them lacked common sense?wow, thanks for that to.Ill get over it(however my feelings are valid)
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Just a heads up. This thread and it's contents has already made it's way to the "blog that will not be named".There's a mole in here the size of a rat.Rats who are doing nothing but laughing at Clay and at us.There was no doubt in my mind that this "announcement" would be used against him and us.How fun. Only NOT.It's too late to put the horse back in the barn. The damage is already done.
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there are people who didnt know that it was snark, so it did need to be addressed, I dont think it should not be allowed because of what the haters say, they discuss everything that we talk about..this isnt anything new.
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Today, 04:17 PM
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well Im sorry that I disagree...I think that my feelings of it not being obvious that it wasnt real are just as valid as those of you that think it was so obvious. It wasnt obvious to me, even after reading plenty of people say it was snark..I didnt get it. so since to you it seems that I obviously should have, it must be blamed on my pure stupidity.for the record, Im not mad at Clay, Im just upset that I dont think there was anything in the blog that pointed that it wasnt real, and I feel "had" as well.wow, thanks for that to.Ill get over it(however my feelings are valid)You're feelings are very valid and I agree that there was nothing in the blog that pointed to it not being real. I wish you wouldn't feel 'had' though. It is possible that the information CG received is not correct. Maybe the admins didn't get it quite right. It is possible that wires got crossed somewhere. Perhaps someone at his management merely thought it was a joke or thought that was the best way to deal with it. I tend to think that the man who blogged to let us know not to travel to GMA because he wouldn't be there and the man who stops to shake hands outside his bus and the man who shows us his personal side a thousand different other ways might not have sent a message third hand that he knew would upset so many.
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I haven't read all of this thread but can someone tell me when Clay said that he was just snarking and who did he tell that to?Jenna
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I do agree that we got a message delivered by a mod from admins. Two out of three ain't bad?Are you calling any of us liars??I saw nobody coming in here saying they would only accept it as real if Clay posted about it when I said that I would find out what was going on nor did I see any opposition when bfs said she would try and find out if it was legit or not.Some wanted to know if it was or it wasn't...I asked and was given an answer...your choice on whether to believe it came from Clay or not but as I've said for quite sometime, doesn't change what is.
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I dont think the admins or mods were wrong, I dont know what I think...all I know is I thought it was real, and it does hurt when people talk about how obvious it was, like I should have known that all along.
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there are people who didnt know that it was snark, so it did need to be addressed, I dont think it should not be allowed because of what the haters say, they discuss everything that we talk about..this isnt anything new.The don't just discuss what we or Clay say, they twist everything and make it evil and hurtful.
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there are people who didnt know that it was snark, so it did need to be addressed, I dont think it should not be allowed because of what the haters say, they discuss everything that we talk about..this isnt anything new.i agree, this way poeple know for sure that it is snark and they can stop working on thier scandels if they wish.the haters will say what they say about everything we do just like they have always done.i kinda figured due to all the legal issues in the beginging that the contest was not going to happen, though i do feel stupid for believing there still was a chance. wish we could have found out sooner, but for all we know clay could have been taking this long looking for any way for this to happen without anything going wrong.even though the haters may have a field day with it, i do hope that the thread the mods started, where we can post our pg-13 scandels, will remain just for those who did work hard can show their creativity, and who knows clay might just pop in and get a good laugh or two out of some of them. hopefully we all dont let the haters and all of the legal stuff get in the way of the original fun that this contest created. whats done is done, we should just have fun with it now.*steps off soap box*
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Just as they will with the confirmation from mods that there is no contest. I think having just left it as it was would have been the "right" thing to do, ya know, leave them guessing. Or what Bets said.CAP, I agree that things should have been left as is. Why stir the turd now when it's been pleasantly quiet.I don't know what page the message from the Mods is on to quote from it, but my concern is really that the message... "Scandal 2007 ...blog was snark, not serious" implies that Clay's message about bull$#@& journalism was not serious.If the "message" is to let everyone know that the contest part of the blog is snark, then that's a different "message".
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The don't just discuss what we or Clay say, they twist everything and make it evil and hurtful.I agree..the point I was trying to make is that when we start to censor ourselves because the haters will "take it and twist it" then they win, and if we stopped talking about everything that they made hurtful then we wouldnt have anything to talk about.
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#105
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Just a heads up. This thread and it's contents has already made it's way to the "blog that will not be named".There's a mole in here the size of a rat.Rats who are doing nothing but laughing at Clay and at us.There was no doubt in my mind that this "announcement" would be used against him and us.How fun. Only NOT.It's too late to put the horse back in the barn. The damage is already done.It wouldn't matter if Clay had blogged about the 'no contest' himself. Those people would find a way to make something horrible out of that anyway, as they will that he didn't blog himself about it.Clay and his fans couldn't win with 'them' either way, no matter what he, or we, do or say. So why worry about it? It's the same old story all over again. Let them waste their lives hating and fabricating and dramatizing. We have SO MUCH to look forward to. Let's move on! The long balmy summer evenings - lots of Clay concerts - oh the NEW CLACK! What will he sing! What will he wear! What will his hair look like! Far more interesting and provocative to me than this old boring same old same old hater stuff.The fun is coming soon!!!!!
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#106
Today, 04:35 PM

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I dont think the admins or mods were wrong, I dont know what I think...all I know is I thought it was real, and it does hurt when people talk about how obvious it was, like I should have known that all along.I'm sorry you feel that way...nobody should be made to feel like a fool because they thought it was real....doesn't matter what anyone thought, fact is nobody knew for sure until confirmation was received.I guess I am missing something here...what is the big deal with this being posted on some outside blog?? How exactly is it hurting Clay?? Because he snarked and they are saying something about it?? Why is anyone paying any attention to anything the haters or naysayers say?? Doesn't anyone think that is giving them far too much power over themselves??Reporting what they are saying is giving them EXACTLY what they want: attention....they know they're ruffling feathers and they'll keep doing it until we stop feeding into it and paying attention to it. I guess if that is what you want to do, not much anyone of us can say to stop you from doing it but it would be nice if it wasn't brought here.There should be no arguing here over anything....Clay blogged, we weren't sure if it was snark or not, the Mods were asked to find out if it was serious or not, we did, we posted the answer.
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Rats who are doing nothing but laughing at Clay and at us.There was no doubt in my mind that this "announcement" would be used against him and us.Those dimwits make fun of every.single.thing. Clay does. The fans too for that matter. Same old s***. *yawn*I laugh at them on a regular basis.
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#108
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I'm sorry you feel that way...nobody should be made to feel like a fool because they thought it was real....doesn't matter what anyone thought, fact is nobody knew for sure until confirmation was received. thank you! thats all I wanted....some people were making me feel like I should have caught on, and I didnt..its over, its not real..I get that. Im not mad at Clay, he knows why he does whatever he does, Im not mad at the mods..they are doing the best they can. im really sensative, and my feelings hurt sometimes..im human loltour!!!!
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CAP, I agree that things should have been left as is. Why stir the turd now when it's been pleasantly quiet.I don't know what page the message from the Mods is on to quote from it, but my concern is really that the message... "Scandal 2007 ...blog was snark, not serious" implies that Clay's message about bull$#@& journalism was not serious.If the "message" is to let everyone know that the contest part of the blog is snark, then that's a different "message".If you'd prefer I changed the title, all you have to do is ask...I'm more than willing to take out the serious part of it.In fact, I'll edit the title now.
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#110
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My 2 cents. I wasn't surprised that the contest was snark, but it was obvious early on that many didn't get "the joke". True, the blog served its purpose. But since many were still excited about the possibility of a contest, I did expect "witty, diplomatic Clay" to address the subject eventually. Whatever the reasons, it didn't happen. However, I did get a reality check, which is a good thing every now and then. My sense of humor is still intact , which is a necessity in this fandom. I love the guy, so looking forward to only good things ahead.


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No matter how Clay handled this "contest" once he posted the 2.1.07 blog, someone was going to be upset. Some of the fans were pleading with him to back down, many thought it was the way to go, etc. FWIW, I thought it was serious at first. As time passed, I began to see it probably wasn't going to "fly" and after the last blog, I felt even more certain it was not happening. And I'm entirely okay with that. Clay had a reason for posting that blog in the first place. I'm sure there is an excellent reason for not following through with it as well. Let the haters post away. They find a way to turn EVERYTHING Clay does into something negative. Who cares what they think anymore? I sure don't. Don't waste your brain cells on them. I don't get the sniping at the mods. If the admins tell them to post something, they post it. And as far as posting these "scandals", I just think we should forget about it here on this board anyway. Personally, I'm tired of scandals, especially fictious ones. I've had enough of those in the past year to last me a lifetime. YMMVBring on the tour news, Clay. That will definitely give us something more exciting to discuss.
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thank you! thats all I wanted....some people were making me feel like I should have caught on, and I didnt..its over, its not real..I get that. Im not mad at Clay, he knows why he does whatever he does, Im not mad at the mods..they are doing the best they can. im really sensative, and my feelings hurt sometimes..im human loltour!!!!NO ONE knew for sure, it was all just speculation so don't feel like you are the only one or you have 'been had'.I'm just glad to hear you arn't mad at Clay, I trust his reasons for not doing the contest.I trust Clay, the part of TC who runs this fanclub..not so much.
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Today, 04:46 PM
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I really hate the way we only get partial quotes. To make it clear what I said.
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I am sure that if Clay wanted it to come from him, he would have blogged about it on Saturday or anytime prior to today, that he didn't tells me he was fine with Admin letting the mods know that it was snark.
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I guess that is where we disagree. I don't think he would ever let word pass down through his admins via a mod about how to take his blogs or what he meant by them.I said I don't think this scenario would happen: Clay - Admins - Mods - tell us how to take his words
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Obviously he would because he just did...the word was given to us and I posted it, like I said I would...if Clay chooses to address it, he would or will but until then you have had the message delivered by a Mod...You said obviously it did because you posted.
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I do agree that we got a message delivered by a mod from admins. Two out of three ain't bad?I said well I agree that two out of the three happened. Admins - Mods
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Are you calling any of us liars??I saw nobody coming in here saying they would only accept it as real if Clay posted about it when I said that I would find out what was going on nor did I see any opposition when bfs said she would try and find out if it was legit or not.Some wanted to know if it was or it wasn't...I asked and was given an answer...your choice on whether to believe it came from Clay or not but as I've said for quite sometime, doesn't change what is.As you can see, I didn't call anyone a liar anywhere. I just simply don't agree that the message you got from the admins is necessarily from Clay. Miscommunications do happen. I guess we'll just have to disagree. You have no way of verifying anything more than it came from admin and I have nothing to go on but what I believe about Clay, but we are allowed to disagree, right?
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#114
Today, 04:49 PM

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And as far as posting these "scandals", I just think we should forget about it here on this board anyway. Personally, I'm tired of scandals, especially fictious ones. I've had enough of those in the past year to last me a lifetime. YMMVMine doesn't vary. I totally agree with you.
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#115
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My take on the Scandal blog was that initially Clay was serious about the contest. Probably was advised to drop it. Probably was decided to just let it up in the air because it would keep the haters guessing. When he didn't mention it in his long blog Saturday night, I am guessing he figured the fans had pretty much figured out that it really was no longer being persued. Some fans wanted confirmation and thus a mod was asked to find out. When the rumor earlier today about Clay being hurt was posted, the mods were asked to find out if there was truth to that rumor and at the same time was asked to find out about the validity of the Scandal contest. If some of the fans wouldn't have requested to know the truth about the contest, I am guessing it would still be status quo.. In other words, draw your own conclusions as to whether the contest was real or not.I think Clay's initial blog about it served its purpose. I also think we should drop the whole topic. I don't need to see anymade up tabloid stories as the ones that were printed are enough to last me a life time. I think it is time to move on.Bring on the summer concert Clay. I am so ready.
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#116
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Well what we could do is just wait to see if he blogs about it before the concert and if he doesn't then those who get meet and greets or stub hubs can just ask him personally. I have felt all along that the answer was in the finger er hand comment. That was Clay's grand salute to the tabloids and their expert journalist. Sorry that people spent money on computer programs and time on creativity though. If I had made one, which I didn't, I wouldn't post them for anybody to see or judge or decide on. This was between us and Clay and I would send them to Clay. Also, I just hate the thoughts of stories floating around that his fans will read or hear and get upset over not knowing if they are real or not. Just my 2 cents for what it's worth.Jenna
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#117
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Thanks for editing the title CG. Much appreciated.Whether or not the contest was serious - the message was. It gave Clay the chance to say what he thought. That was important. I'm proud of him for speaking his mind.As for everything else, he get's the benefit of the doubt from me - because I love him, and because I think he's had enough crap to deal with. IMO, if given the chance - he would have said something himself. Why that didn't happen is anyone's guess. He's shown himself to be a very thoughtful, caring and appreciative person over and over again.Since this contest isn't happening, I'd also like to urge caution with the posting of any pseudo scandals.
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#118
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I really hate the way we only get partial quotes. To make it clear what I said. I said I don't think this scenario would happen: Clay - Admins - Mods - tell us how to take his wordsYou said obviously it did because you posted. I said well I agree that two out of the three happened. Admins - Mods As you can see, I didn't call anyone a liar anywhere. I just simply don't agree that the message you got from the admins is necessarily from Clay. Miscommunications do happen. I guess we'll just have to disagree. You have no way of verifying anything more than it came from admin and I have nothing to go on but what I believe about Clay, but we are allowed to disagree, right?I put a question mark on the end of it, meaning I was asking you if you were calling us that or not. I was not saying you did it. You can disagree and believe what you choose to...lolYou have no knowledge of how I can verify anything but again, you are free to believe and convince yourself that what you believe is the truth. As I previously stated, it doesn't change what is.
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#119
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This all just goes back to the fact that fans.cannot.wait.for.the.man to make his own announcements, they have to pick, they have to prod, they have to make it about themselves and once again he gets bit in the butt. If he wanted to further discuss this, it would have happened. His silence was all that was needed. As I said, just keep them guessing.
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Today, 05:09 PM
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I put a question mark on the end of it, meaning I was asking you if you were calling us that or not. I was not saying you did it. You can disagree and believe what you choose to...lolYou have no knowledge of how I can verify anything but again, you are free to believe and convince yourself that what you believe is the truth. As I previously stated, it doesn't change what is. Why thank you CG. Thank you also for restating what it is that you are convinced of. It's always nice to see such confidence displayed in others.
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Today, 05:10 PM

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Well what we could do is just wait to see if he blogs about it before the concert and if he doesn't then those who get meet and greets or stub hubs can just ask him personally. Please, JUST NO. I would hate to hear that fans were asking him about this at a meet and greet. That is so not in good taste, IMO. Just let it die.
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Today, 05:11 PM

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CAP, I agree that things should have been left as is. Why stir the turd now when it's been pleasantly quiet.I don't know what page the message from the Mods is on to quote from it, but my concern is really that the message... "Scandal 2007 ...blog was snark, not serious" implies that Clay's message about bull$#@& journalism was not serious.If the "message" is to let everyone know that the contest part of the blog is snark, then that's a different "message".
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If you'd prefer I changed the title, all you have to do is ask...I'm more than willing to take out the serious part of it.In fact, I'll edit the title now.Thank you very much, CG.Are the words "snark" and "joking" in the message from Admin also referring to the contest and not the seriousness of the message of the blog?I'm not questioning the messenger(s), just the meaning/wording of the message...(I married Mr. Literal. *g*)
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Ok, I found out from the Admin that the blog was nothing more than snark so nobody has to go and dream up any tabloid stories...Clay was only joking when he posted it...
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Today, 05:12 PM

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Reporting what they are saying is giving them EXACTLY what they want: attention....they know they're ruffling feathers and they'll keep doing it until we stop feeding into it and paying attention to it. I guess if that is what you want to do, not much anyone of us can say to stop you from doing it but it would be nice if it wasn't brought here.I assume this is directed at me. Gee, thanks mom...how would we survive without you. We've been dealing with this crap for over a year. Excuse me for having a real disgusted feeling about it all.Let me assure you I am not posting nor hanging out at the blogs. There are some places around here who do have the info. posted.Ya know, you have a lot of guts to sit there and pontificate to those who are sick to DEATH of being kicked in the teeth. Shouldn't have to deal with that from one of Clay's "mods".I don't think I need a lecture from you or anyone else to tell me how I feel.Happy now? The last two days were great fun with the blog...this thread destroyed that.
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#124
Today, 05:17 PM

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And as far as posting these "scandals", I just think we should forget about it here on this board anyway. Personally, I'm tired of scandals, especially fictious ones. I've had enough of those in the past year to last me a lifetime. YMMVI totally agree with you. I'd rather just move on. We've got lots to look forward to in the coming months.Also, I hope no one will be bugging Clay about this whole thing at Meet and Greets. Let's give the man a break.
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#125
Today, 05:18 PM
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Happy now? The last two days were great fun with the blog...this thread destroyed that. Let's not allow that. If we stop posting in this thread it will disapear. My request is that we let this thread die and go back to our JOY.Take the pleage:I'm done I will not let them win, I will not post in this thread again. Back to the JOY!!!
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#126
Today, 05:19 PM

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May I suggest to the mods that this thread be closed and deleted since the contest is a no go. It's time we all move on.
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#127
Today, 05:26 PM

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May I suggest to the mods that this thread be closed and deleted since the contest is a no go. It's time we all move on.I second that.I'm going to go back and read Clay's blog...he's why I'm here.
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#128
Today, 05:28 PM

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Please, JUST NO. I would hate to hear that fans were asking him about this at a meet and greet. That is so not in good taste, IMO. Just let it die.I don't understand why you think that it would not be in good taste to discuss this with Clay. ???????? He is the one who brought it up first, remember? And this is about a contest not about his personal life. Like I said this was something between us and Clay and I am just one of those people who refers to hear it from Clay. If not, then we are again in a place not knowing whether Clay said it or someone is speculating. I just wish that everyone would STOP speaking for Clay.Jenna
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#129
Today, 05:32 PM

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This all just goes back to the fact that fans.cannot.wait.for.the.man to make his own announcements, they have to pick, they have to prod, they have to make it about themselves and once again he gets bit in the butt. If he wanted to further discuss this, it would have happened. His silence was all that was needed. As I said, just keep them guessing.Yeah, well it was being left alone. Then the mods WERE asked to find out if the contest was real or not and they did as they were asked...in all fairness...*shrug*I'm not saying it was wrong for anyone to ask for clarification, not at all. But if they asked and that was the answer, what can the mods do? Lie to please certain people? All they can do is pass on what they are given to pass on.I'm still in Clay tour mode, and very excited, so I'm not caring too much about any of this! How much does it matter! Clay is coming to a place near YOU! I may possibly get to a NY venue if he does one there!
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#130
Today, 05:32 PM

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I just can't see using a meet and greet as an opportunity to ask him about this pseudo-contest. Why remind him of the reason he posted about it in the first place? IMO he's moved on and we should too. The less I think about the things that prompted the blog the better.I sure wouldn't waste any opportunity I had to meet the man on quizzing him about this thing.I think this thread ought to be zapped as well.
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Today, 05:37 PM

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Yeah, well it was being left alone. Then the mods WERE asked to find out if the contest was real or not and they did as they were asked...in all fairness...*shrug*You just made my point. By now if there were no contest details, it WAS OBVIOUS there was no contest going to happen, but some just couldn't leave it be.I also agree this thread should hit The Rest Home like all subjects that have been, "resolved".
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#132
Today, 05:39 PM
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I just can't see using a meet and greet as an opportunity to ask him about this pseudo-contest. Why remind him of the reason he posted about it in the first place? IMO he's moved on and we should too. The less I think about the things that prompted the blog the better.I sure wouldn't waste any opportunity I had to meet the man on quizzing him about this thing.My thoughts exactly!! Too many other things I would place higher on my list if I were to get that rare opportunity. But hey if that's someone else's burning question where they can't move on with their lives without an answer then who am I to tell them differently Be careful though he may give you some snark as a response.
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#133
Today, 05:40 PM

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This thread is getting locked...the disrespect in here is unreal.The thread will be staying here however so that EVERYONE can see that Clay's blog regarding the contest was merely snark.
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