Clay Aiken: Web-Cam Revisited

Below you will see pictures of Clay Aiken from the Joyful Noise tour at the end of 2005. These pictures were taken at several different stops along the tour. Given how often he wore that teal "CAROLINA" hooded sweatshirt while visiting the buses, one could conclude that it's probably one of his favorite sweatshirts. Let's look at all the places this sweatshirt has been spotted!




Here it is in Council Bluffs, Iowa

This is from an unknown location.

This one is from Eugene, Oregon.

This one is from Chicago! Man that sweatshirt really gets around!

Here he is wearing it again in Atlanta.

It makes another appearance at an unknown location.

And lookie what he's wearing in these pictures before he decided to strip! Guess he wore it in Boston, also! He must have REALLY loved that sweatshirt during the JNT in 2005!

What do you think the odds are that Thom Yorke has the same sweatshirt?

Do you think all these photos are photoshopped and Clay has never seen that sweatshirt before in his life?

Clay Aiken : Boob-Gate Revisited

Here is the original with a quote of Clay Aiken's added to the front.

Below you'll find some other takes on the picture. ;)

Clay Aiken: Headed For Breakdown?

Click on the pictures to enlarge and read.

Crazy Clay Aiken Fans New Blog. The Rantings of Lunatics

When the news came that a small but crazy group of Claymates opened up a blog in response to this blog, I was thrilled! I knew they would provide material for this blog and they already are.

I was over there poking around and my money is on Chexxxy being nighthawk. Nutbar Chexxxy has so many internet ID's that I don't know how someone of her limited intellect and obvious mental disease can keep track of them all.

This new blog that's been created is really no different from her other boards, it's just in a blog format. The posts there are already being moderated and "nighthawk" herself has said that she's not letting some of them through. Typical control issues. She loves to boss her little followers around, dictates to them where they can post or where they better not post because it would piss her off. I can't believe grown women (I highly doubt there are any men there) allow themselves to be ordered around that way.

At least here, posts are not moderated and except for those who spam or come only to attack, there is not much editing.

Anyway, for your amusement, here are some of the rantings at the 911 nuthouse.

nighthawk said...
Just some information in case some of you are wondering where your post is:I let a few of the posts that try to identify some of the players in all of this through, but I am hanging on to some of the more explicit identifying posts, at least for now. Initially, I want to focus less on the "who" behind all of this, and concentrate on the "what" and the "why." Which is not to say it isn't important to know exactly who they are, but at this moment, given the potential for anonymity that the internet provides, there are still mistakes that can be made. At least for a while. WHAT they've been doing and HOW they've been doing it, however, is clear and well documented, as well as extremely important to expose. The WHY, as well, is an important and fascinating topic. Identifying them more specifically than with a screen name can come later down the road, once their actions and methods have been exposed for what they are. Again, I am hanging onto those posts and may publish them later. Thanks.I also want to avoid participating in the fan wars I alluded to in the blog, therefore will not publish posts that I feel might exacerbate that. (Which is not to say I don't appreciate the sentiment behind the post.) Anything that sets up any "my-idol-is-better-than-your-idol" stuff won't be put through, though posts that offer fandom rivalries as a cause behind some individuals' actions are OK. Posts that attempt to bait fans into circular arguments that derail the intent of the blog, or contain a lie stated as a truth as the basis for an argument, or are centered on a topic peripheral to the blog itself, will also not be put through. I don't intend to play the game by the rules of engagement these "haters" have already set up. I have something else in mind.
January 11, 2007 10:53 PM


This person is obviously praying for us:

Anonymous said...
I wish they would leave Clay Aiken the fuck alone and stop stalking him and bashing him and his fans. They are such small minded fools. I really do hope that GOD takes care of them soon.
January 12, 2007 6:41 AM

This person is a little confused:

person said...
Tinhat is Director Sandy from KCE so if it is the same IP then percocet is Director Sandy.
January 12, 2007 8:22 AM

And this one is just, well, verklempt.

Anonymous said...
Nighthawk, how refreshing this is. No lies allowed. No bogus claims permitted. Thank you so much!Celebrity gossip queens such as Perez Hilton have infiltrated mainstream journalism to a certain extent. For instance, I saw him spouting his garbage on Good Morning America. You can bet I wrote that show to complain that they have stooped to the sewer in allowing a known liar to appear to have any credibility.
January 12, 2007 9:50 AM

We've Arrived!!

A New Claymate blog has opened in response to little old US!! :)

Here is the addy! http://claymate911.blogspot.com/

I am DELIGHTED that they've opened because I have NO DOUBT that they will provide much needed blog material for us now that Clay is trying to figure out the next move for his decrepit career!

Also, we here are SO IMPORTANT that everything is being CAPTURED and SAVED by LEGAL TEAMS!!

We CAN'T let these people down after this great notoriety that we've achieved!!

I couldn't think of any other group of people that I'd rather go to JAIL with!! LOL!!

WE are AMAZING!! ;)

Will Clay Aiken Go To Asia?

This topic has come up before but maybe it merits another mention.

There has been a lot of activity with Clay developing an Asian fan base. Fan blogs and sites are being set up and Clay gets many positive mentions in Asian magazines and his popularity there seems to be on the rise.

To say that Clay's career in the USA has tanked would be an understatment. He is widely disliked and ridiculed. Could Team Clay be looking to go where there is money to be made since Clay isn't able to bring in the bucks anymore here in the US ?

How would the Claymates who are so happy about Clay's success in Asia feel if he picks up and goes there for most of his performing? Is this the "new direction" that many feel Clay Aiken will look for?

Below you will find a link to a thread on the ClayBoard regarding this topic and some links to Asian fan sites.

Will Clay go to Asia? Maybe, maybe not, but would anything surprise us in Clay's efforts to sell himself?

http://p071.ezboard.com/ftheclayboardfrm11.showMessageRange?topicID=87268.topic&start=81&stop=87

http://cafe.daum.net/aiken

http://newclayaiken.blog54.fc2.com/

The Claymates Do It Again! Nutjobs!

they got me
My apologies, Mr. Aiken

So last night while attempting to explain Battlestar Galactica to my sweet non-nerd wife (No, you see, you can be a Cylon without knowing you’re a Cylon, because Cylons are robots and they can be programmed to think they’re human. Get it?) when I checked the comments on my last post. It seems I ended last night’s entry with a subtle dig at ol’ Clay Aiken.

Whoops.

Turns out that AndrewOsenga.com is some sort of mob-front for an intense Clay Aiken society. I had no idea. I learned from a few comments left by people who have never posted here before that I should not joke about Clay.

He is off-limits.

It seems that my thinking that he was a slightly awkward runner-up who sang a creepy song about being invisible so he could stalk people was wrong. I was also wrong in thinking that I might not want my kids to enjoy his harmless brand of diet soft-rock. Or his hair. And I was definitely wrong when I implied (it must have been very subtle, even I didn’t know I implied it) that he may be a bit, let’s say, ambigious.

Turns out he is the last bastion of morality and wholesomeness in this God-forsaken, gangster rap-loving, unhealthy body image of a nation.

So, please forgive me, Mr. Aiken. I never meant to write songs that make everybody want to get naked.

Or nekkid, as the “gangstahs” say.

I had no idea the harm I was doing.

From now on the name of Clay Aiken will stand esteemed on the hallowed ground that is this independent progressive singer-songwriter’s overly opinionated piece of world wide webbery.

Any rating from 1 to 10 that I may make on a piece of gear or a movie or a song will now be based on a scale of 1 to Clay.

And the next time I’m at Kroger I’m heading straight for the baby bubble bath and I’m getting the one with your glorious spiky head on the front. Now my girls will be clean on the outside and the inside.

http://www.andrewosenga.com/blog/2007/01/10/my-apologies-mr-aiken/

The blog that the ClayMates found so objectional and their responses can be found here:

http://www.andrewosenga.com/blog/2007/01/09/they-got-me/

Clay Aiken: HE BLOGGED!!

So, Clay blogged last night and there was great rejoicing throughout "The Nation".

But should there have been? What is Clay really saying in this blog?

One could interpret it as a big "BACK OFF" to his fans.

Nowhere in this blog was Clay's trademark "thank you all for being such AMAZING fans", or "You guys are AMAZING!"

Could that be because Clay has nothing to sell right now or does he not find his fans so "amazing" anymore?

Let's read the blog and some of the responses to it.

01/08/07 : For all of us

I must be honest. I hesitate at times to write things on here for fear that they will be misinterpreted or misconstrued. I know how many of you love to pick apart whether or not my misplaced comma was a ''subliminal signal" that I am "considering taking a untimely pause in my album promotion" or that the fact that I capitalized the word "YES" in a blog really means that I am "concerned about the international ramifications of events in Yemen, but can't say so outright because of pressure from the record label"....HA HA..

You know I am right! If you don't do it.. you know someone who DOES!!

That said, I somehow today recalled one of my favorite quotes, and wanted to share it with you all.It has no specific pertinance to my life or anything that may or may not be happening as I enjoy a little downtime with the dogs at home!But.. Miss Radner's life, though cut far too short, obviously provided her with opportunities to accumulate amazing wisdom. And it shows in her words.

As I find myself spending the next few weeks resting and preparing for coming events this summer and beyond, instead of stopping by here every few weeks to update you on how fast the grass is growing in the yard or what Durham chewed up today, I thought I might take the opportunity to share with you some words of others.. some funny, some profound, some just stupid.... that have either made me laugh, made me cry, or made me think.

But, instead of figuring out the deeper meaning of why I chose Gilda Radner this week (no, it's not some sort of hint that I am going to do Weekend Update on SNL) or why I may choose Churchill another week (regardless that he shares my birthday), instead I hope you enjoy each new entry. Read them for what they are and examine how they might be pertinant to your life. And, if in reading them, you learn a little more about me, I guess thats fine too.

For today...

“I wanted a perfect ending. Now I’ve learned, the hard way, that some poems don’t rhyme, and some stories don’t have a clear beginning, middle and end. Life is about not knowing, having to change, taking the moment and making the best of it, without knowing what’s going to happen next.” – Gilda Radner

love,c

Current Mood: Happy

Here are a couple of responses to the blog from the ClayBoard.

This ClayMates starts out saying that they do over analyze his words, and then promptly goes on to do just that.

bbandit31 Registered MemberPosts: 101(1/9/07 1:08 am)Reply
Re: HE BLOGGED Jan 08
He is right. We do over analyze his words. Now from the reading of his blog...it looks like a summer tour?That's 6 months with no Clay!! Or....isn't it unseasonably warm over many parts of the east coast now....and many have said it is like summer....so could it also mean the tour could actually be anytime soon? He did say he was resting a few weeks.....not a few months.just my

Then there is this post which is just downright creepy.

SidiDenak Registered MemberPosts: 386(1/9/07 7:54 am)Reply
Re: HE BLOGGED Jan 08
I'm going to try but I just want to mention that "I always get things and quotes backwards or messed up" but here goes."Please God, help me to accept the things I can not change; change the things I can; and to be able to know the difference."

Please help me if I got it wrong.Do you think that just maybe we are getting a Summer Tour because . . . he will be taking his ATDW Tour overseas first?

How many of you, who've been to so many of the same Tour will be willing to follow him overseas? That would probably shock his "cutie patootie" pants off to see his U.S. fans in the audience.

I do believe that Clay misses us just as much as we miss him.

JBT05 was a special Tour from Clay to us;

WITHOUT YOU was our special song from Clay to us;ATDW was a special CD from Clay to us.

There's no one that can separate Clay from his fans nor his fans from Clay. WE ARE AS ONE.

I'm ready to follow Clay to the U.K. and THE SON said he'll go with me.

THE SON was in the U.S. Air Force and they stationed him at Sculthorp, England for 2 years. He loves the U.K. I couldn't understand why he didn't come back with an English accent. I would have loved for him to call me MUM instead of MOTHER. When I was attending the WE ARE THE WORLD Concert here in the States, he was at Wembley Stadium watching it. The English singers (Phil Collins, Sting, etc.) were jumping on the Concord from Wembley to the States to perform.THE SON brought home some weird clothes though like: "Pink wool sport jacket, white wool sport jacket; and a dark teal blue tweed suit". That is what they were wearing in the U.K. at that time (the days of Duran Duran, WHAM then George Michael, Boy George, Billy Ocean, Simply Red, The Cure, etc.). Everytime I tried to bury them in his closet he would ask for them. Eventually he stopped wearing them and went back to normalcy. I guess he got teased a lot about it for that wasn't the style of choice here in the states.

What do YOU think Clay was trying to say in his blog?

Clay Aiken Fans :C U L T

clayshines A song is like a smilePosts: 14706(1/7/07 5:32 pm)Reply
Re: Life before Clay......
Huh? Life BEFORE CLAY???I don't remember! I think that I cleaned the house and maybe even cooked....lost skills!


foreveryoung4clay Registered MemberPosts: 1500(1/7/07 5:39 pm)Reply ezSupporter
Re: Life before Clay......
Was there life before Clay? must have being pretty dull because I don't remember anything about it.

LittleAikenFan MY HEART IS AIKENPosts: 129(1/7/07 5:39 pm)Reply
Re: Life before Clay......
I think I've BLOCKED anything in my head of Life Before Clay.....I truly don't remember my life back then!! Do we need to form a support group for this??

paige4 Unconditional love for ClayPosts: 1899(1/7/07 5:46 pm)Reply ezSupporter
Re: Life before Clay......
Life before Clay........hmmmmm.....let me think? Nope didn't have a life before Clay! I merely existed.


Okclayhoman My GuyPosts: 4513(1/7/07 6:20 pm)Reply ezSupporter
Re: Life before Clay......
I honestly was a really good housekeeper.....I am talking hours spent everyday.....just stupid......a clean house isn't all its cracked up to be when I have so much Clay to enjoy..or miss......I am trying to get my house clean again while waiting for the next tour, when I know I will be seeing him again and on the internet 23 hours a day..but dang I do miss him right now....Hope he is resting, working (as we all know, Clay doesn't sit still) and getting that tour lined up...... Geesh! He sure has me spoiled!


Cindy48 Official Mn. ClaymatePosts: 4959(1/7/07 6:32 pm)Reply ezSupporter
Re: Life before Clay......
I've often asked myself this very question. Honest to goodness I can't remember.I believe I watched more TV, read more books, shopped more. Listened to the oldies station. Now I have more fun, got out of a boring relationship, and now I am free to be myself. I'm happier


debsgarden Registered MemberPosts: 1273(1/7/07 7:05 pm)Reply ezSupporter
Re: Life before Clay......
Life before Clay was very rough for a few years, and thanks to Clay he gave me hope.

nebclayfan All Is WellPosts: 1838(1/7/07 7:07 pm)Reply ezSupporter
Re: Life before Clay......
I was very depressed. Clay gave me a reason to live and to be able to see the good things I actually did have in my life.


Okclayhoman My GuyPosts: 4516(1/7/07 7:22 pm)Reply ezSupporter
Re: Life before Clay......
locburylady...We are a family...and we are part of Clay's family....he has changed all of us....and thank heaven for him and for this family..for the love and the bond we have here!I know that Clay has brought more joy, more love and more beauty in my life than I ever thought possible!Glad you are part of our family....huge warm hugs!


ClassyClay and let there be hopePosts: 4397(1/7/07 7:32 pm)Reply ezSupporter
Re: Life before Clay......
I'm like some of the rest of you. I cleaned my house, I spent more time working, I read a lot, I was starting to get interested in gardening.I took on projects like remodelling a bedroom, or resurfacing the deck, things that took a few weekends to finish.We used to go camping quite a bit, my husband does not miss that much.I'm sure I did lots of other things as well. Sounds boring but I think I was happy and fulfilled.eta, I did spend a lot more time with friends and I do feel badly about letting that slide.
Edited by: ClassyClay at: 1/7/07 7:33 pm


bulldog Registered MemberPosts: 7558(1/7/07 8:46 pm)Reply ezSupporter
RE:
I can't even fathom the thought.. The only thing I did was take care of my kids,take care of my house and just get by day by day.. but my life had a vacume..my heart needed something.. Clay has filled the emptiness and renewed my joy..He has brought soooo much excitement that my heart can hardly contain it!!!!! His voice sweeps over my soul and rejuvenates my spirit!!!


CLAYPERFECT Clay's Wild Crow'sPosts: 11786(1/7/07 11:00 pm)Reply ezSupporter
Re: Life before Clay......
that life ? he made it complete..


Claysladylove Registered MemberPosts: 1942(1/8/07 1:57 am)Reply ezSupporter
Re: Life before Clay......
I don't remember Life before Clay. I am so Glad that Clay came into Our lives. I am having Alot of Fun as well. God Bless Our American Idol Clay Aiken. And I Love him so Much. Julie


joycez Registered MemberPosts: 1196(1/8/07 1:38 pm)Reply ezSupporter
Re: Life before Clay......
I didn't have a life before Clay. spitThis new life is so much more fun.

claylily This is the Great Adventure.Posts: 1671(1/8/07 1:41 pm)Reply ezSupporter
Re: Life before Clay......
Life BC for me was boring and lonely. I have never been so happy in my life and thankful for so many special friends I have met along this journey. Thank you Clay!!!!!


1inNebraska4Clay Chillin' in Jesus, NebraskaPosts: 4827(1/8/07 3:32 pm)Reply ezSupporter
Re: Life before Clay......
Quote:
before we even knew him, what did we do?
We waited for him.

"The World's Best ClayMate" An Open Letter to Chexxxy

To Chexxxy,

You like to act like you are the best ClayMate in the world.

You like to play it like you are tough renegade in the Clay Nation.

You like to post the personal information and pictures of people who have never done anything to you. All they have done is not share your deluded love for Clay Aiken.

You are a coward. You don't have the balls to do what you do out in the open.

A friend of yours was here at this blog and was upset that her picture had been posted here, out in the open.

You could have stepped in to help her. You didn't have the guts.

If you see nothing wrong in what you do in posting peoples pictures and information, you should have no problem at all with allowing your own picture to be posted. If you don't, it goes to show that you KNOW that what you are doing is both WRONG and beneath contempt.

There are people who act as your "followers". You try to dictate to them where they can post and what is appropriate for them to post. For some reason, they seem to listen to you.

I hope what they saw from you today was a wakeup call for them.

If any of them ever find themselves in the situation in which you love to place others who don't share your deluded devotion to Clay Aiken, they now know you are not woman enough to give them back up.

This is what Chexxxy had to say to a woman who has been a friend to Chexxxy when the woman found herself in an uncomfortable situation and came to Chexxxy with it:

First from the friend to Chexxxy:

evaiken @ Jan 7 2007, 08:41 PM

Chexxxy

I have to cancel membership at your board because I you know my picture was put on RCD blog. I am not you or Shelly . You know it and I know it but because this is just taking too far for me and it touch me personally I will have to step aside. I had to cancel my membership at myspace because I was getting hate mail. I have never new so much hate before . I have always been good person and I do not need any hate in my life. Today I will not be fan of Clay posting on any board. I was quite open who I am but I guess this did no good for me. It is my lesson but everybody have to learn one day. Take care everybody.

Love you all

Ewa

What was Chexxxy's response?

I'm so sorry you were attacked by those haters. I understand that you need to do what is best for you. kiss1.gif


Chexxxy, you are nothing but a common bully. You could have come to discuss this in an open forum and tried to help this person but you did not have the nerve to do so. You didn't say "let me try to help you out with this" as you could have. What you said essentially is, "too bad, so sad, goodbye". Not only are you a loud mouthed fraud, you have now proven yourself to also be a pitiful excuse for a human being.

To those who allow Chexxxy to order them around and be her little cheerleaders, I hope your eyes have been opened. If you are ever in a bad spot, Chexxxy will just sell your asses down the river. She will turn on you and eat you alive if you ever disagree with her. You know this is true as you have seen her do it to others.

Chexxxy, you are quite possibly the most damaging fan Clay has ever had the misfortune to acquire. You are driving people away more than the so called "haters" ever could have hoped to do. You GO, hero of the ClayNation! You do the fandom proud! Only in your clouded and diseased mind.

Chexxxy, you are a miserable bitch. I hope every nasty, sneaky, underhanded thing you've done revisits you again... in a thousand different ways.

Have a nice day!

Chexxy and her minions on Jeff Varner

Please enjoy more paranoia and conspiracy theories from the crazy cast of characters at Chexxxy's!

Jeff Varner

Chexxxy's Place > Blogs > Blogs from Heck


Chexxxy
Jan 5 2007, 10:43 AM
I had a few things to say to Jeff on my blog.

If you want to read it.

http://chexxyspearls.blogspot.com/

ZIGGY
Jan 5 2007, 11:11 AM
Chexxy,

That was an awesome blog! I hope that dumbass sees it!


Yes Jeff...

THE TRIBE HAS SPOKEN...

GET THE HELL OUTTA DODGE...

YOU'RE FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

crusader
Jan 5 2007, 11:23 AM
Brava, brava! Hope it gets picked up on some google alerts, Chexxxy!

Jeff was so transparent, it is laughable...except I am not laughing.

kzzmtt
Jan 5 2007, 11:40 AM
Great blog chexxxy. Jeff was an ass on Survivor and an even bigger ass now. As if Clay would bother with him.

Medusa
Jan 5 2007, 11:47 AM
Good job, Chexxxy. Way to put that arrogant jerk in his place. I hope he is steaming over what you wrote.

Clover
Jan 5 2007, 11:49 AM
Did Jeff actually stop by to visit your bog? If so, he didn't leave a comment to tell you how crazy you are? tongue.gif

misstacky
Jan 5 2007, 01:31 PM
Excellent blog! You tell it like it is Chexxy.

caviar
Jan 5 2007, 02:49 PM
How can we assure that jv reads Chexxxy's blog?

najlake
Jan 5 2007, 03:38 PM
GREAT BLOG CHEXXXY!! YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!

hunter
Jan 5 2007, 04:21 PM
Way to go Chexxxy !!!! Love your blog !!!!

MIGAL4Clay
Jan 5 2007, 04:27 PM
Chexy, your blog rocks! You go girl! Awesome!

shyeyewitness
Jan 5 2007, 05:39 PM
QUOTE(MIGAL4Clay @ Jan 5 2007, 04:27 PM) *

Chexy, your blog rocks! You go girl! Awesome!


What she said^^^^^^^
FABULAS Blog!!!!!

robin271
Jan 5 2007, 06:35 PM

I read your blog and I love it. Great Blog!

Birdie9
Jan 5 2007, 07:08 PM
Good job Chexxxy!

Chexxxy said:
QUOTE
You are only a minor irritant.


Indeed! I hope everyone is leaving comments. highfive.gif

bobbi
Jan 5 2007, 08:14 PM
Great Blog Chexxxy - thank you.

I see that Percocet has copied it onto his vile site - along with a picture he thinks is you. What an idiot! Who the hell is he anyway?

misstacky
Jan 5 2007, 09:26 PM
I think she's a Canadian.

Birdie9
Jan 5 2007, 09:56 PM
QUOTE
I see that Percocet has copied it onto his vile site - along with a picture he thinks is you. What an idiot! Who the hell is he anyway?


Where is his blog?

I would presume this is the same Percocet that was posting on the JV blog?

Birdie9
Jan 5 2007, 09:57 PM
or she....sorry, MissTackey.

ticked
Jan 5 2007, 11:40 PM
Chexxxy - great blog. No, fantastic blog.

I left a comment but chose to use "anonymous" simply because I wanted the words to be the focus, not the author.

ticked
Jan 6 2007, 12:08 AM
QUOTE(ticked @ Jan 6 2007, 04:40 AM) *

Chexxxy - great blog. No, fantastic blog.

I left a comment but chose to use "anonymous" simply because I wanted the words to be the focus, not the author.


Gee, I wish we had an edit button. I realized my statement could be taken wrong about posting anonymously - I was only referring to myself and in no way meant to reflect on those using their names. I was only wanting to impart to Chexxxy that I posted but it might not be evident since I posted anonymously. Maybe I'm just chicken to use my name! chair.gif

If I think of something else to post on the blog about Varner, I'll use my name!

bobbi
Jan 6 2007, 12:20 AM
Ticked, I know what you mean about posting as anon - I've posted several times on various blogs, usually as anon - guess I'm too chicken to get my name out there.

Sandy
Jan 6 2007, 02:08 AM
Lets See so far we have JP, PH, BM and now JV - How about we combine all of them and call it
UMMMMM - BS.
Chexxxy
Jan 6 2007, 02:18 AM

Thanks for the nice comments. flowers1.gif

aiken2
Jan 6 2007, 08:42 AM
Great job Chexxxy. I've always loved the way you stood up to the jerks on Sucks and called them out on their BS. Bigger_Cheerleader.gif

outback
Jan 6 2007, 12:50 PM
Chexxxy, you made mincemeat out of Jeffygirl!

musicvixen
Jan 6 2007, 02:34 PM


QUOTE(outback @ Jan 6 2007, 05:50 PM) *

Chexxxy, you made mincemeat out of Jeffygirl!


I love the blog. It looks like 'Claymates' are not responding the way that JP and Groucho told Mr. Varney they would.



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txwriter
Jan 6 2007, 03:05 PM
QUOTE(musicvixen @ Jan 6 2007, 01:34 PM) *

QUOTE(outback @ Jan 6 2007, 05:50 PM) *

Chexxxy, you made mincemeat out of Jeffygirl!


I love the blog. It looks like 'Claymates' are not responding the way that JP and Groucho told Mr. Varney they would.



clap2.gif



I loved the blog, but I'm curious as to how they expected us to respond. Can you enlighten this newbie, who's trying to understand the dynamics of this situation?

musicvixen
Jan 6 2007, 03:16 PM
QUOTE(txwriter @ Jan 6 2007, 08:05 PM) *

QUOTE(musicvixen @ Jan 6 2007, 01:34 PM) *

QUOTE(outback @ Jan 6 2007, 05:50 PM) *

Chexxxy, you made mincemeat out of Jeffygirl!


I love the blog. It looks like 'Claymates' are not responding the way that JP and Groucho told Mr. Varney they would.



clap2.gif



I loved the blog, but I'm curious as to how they expected us to respond. Can you enlighten this newbie, who's trying to understand the dynamics of this situation?



I think they expected to be deluged with e mails and phone calls 'defending' Clay. They didn't expect to be ignored,IMHO





txwriter
Jan 6 2007, 05:27 PM
Thanks, musicvixen. I thought maybe mates were writing responses that they didn't expect. IMO ignoring is the best response.

justforfun
Jan 6 2007, 05:38 PM
QUOTE
IMO ignoring is the best response.


So true.

Oh Crap
Jan 6 2007, 07:08 PM
It's kind of fun to leave them seething in this round. The time will come when the real truth comes to light and I will be sitting sitting on a mound of grass licking a Fudgepop going LA LA LA LA LA.

Oh Crap
Jan 6 2007, 07:10 PM
What did I just say? I'm in Arizona fer crying out loud so I'll be sitting on a mound of dirt and melting my fudgepop.

Birdie9
Jan 6 2007, 08:01 PM
Dang, I made a spelling error in my post on Chexxy's Pearls. Chexxxy, if you can fix it do, but if not, don't worry about it. I spelled "injustice" as "injustis." I am a poor speller.

blush2.gif

Indigo369
Jan 6 2007, 09:06 PM
QUOTE
I think they expected to be deluged with e mails and phone calls 'defending' Clay. They didn't expect to be ignored,IMHO


Bravo for that statement...yes attention seekers hate being ignored.

Amanda13
Jan 6 2007, 10:29 PM
Excuse me but are you all talking about Jeff the host of Suvivor? What on earth does he have to do with that kid and all that mess? I mean why is he getting into the middle of that crap? I stopped watching Regis and Kelly for life and now I guess I need to stop watching Survivor is he is going to be a complete ass and join in the Clay hate crap.

starbrite
Jan 6 2007, 10:33 PM
Jeff on Survivor is "Jeff Provost" or something like that.....this is a very different Jeff.

Harpo
Jan 6 2007, 10:35 PM
QUOTE(Amanda13 @ Jan 6 2007, 07:29 PM) *

Excuse me but are you all talking about Jeff the host of Suvivor? What on earth does he have to do with that kid and all that mess? I mean why is he getting into the middle of that crap? I stopped watching Regis and Kelly for life and now I guess I need to stop watching Survivor is he is going to be a complete ass and join in the Clay hate crap.


The Survivor host is named Jeff Probst. We are talking about Jeff Varner, who was the gay contestant on Survivor 2 in Austrailia. He never even made it past the tribe merge, he was not well liked by anybody in either tribe. Jeff Varner is the Fox news guy who wrote the inflammatory story about Clay, and who is running the blog where the Clay haters are running wild.

Aikenlady4
Jan 6 2007, 10:58 PM
Read in another private area someone googled Varner and found out that get this
in 2001 Varner refused to say whether or not he was "g" on HS and everywhere else
that he was interviewed.

Oh Crap
Jan 6 2007, 11:01 PM
I have not been to this joker's blog yet. Anybody got a link? I might feel like playing later.

myaikenback
Jan 6 2007, 11:34 PM
QUOTE(Oh Crap @ Jan 6 2007, 10:01 PM) *

I have not been to this joker's blog yet. Anybody got a link? I might feel like playing later.


I think it would be wise to let the prick play by himself.

Oh Crap
Jan 6 2007, 11:46 PM
I still would like the link since I don't have it and have never been there.

myaikenback
Jan 7 2007, 12:03 AM
QUOTE(Oh Crap @ Jan 6 2007, 10:46 PM) *

I still would like the link since I don't have it and have never been there.


I don't have the link, sorry.

Oh Crap
Jan 7 2007, 12:11 AM
Thanks for answering. Someone should have it somewhere. I don't know if it's the TMZ site or not. I do see that they link to all the gay bloggers. Shocker!

Harpo
Jan 7 2007, 12:20 AM
QUOTE(myaikenback @ Jan 6 2007, 08:34 PM) *

QUOTE(Oh Crap @ Jan 6 2007, 10:01 PM) *

I have not been to this joker's blog yet. Anybody got a link? I might feel like playing later.


I think it would be wise to let the prick play by himself.


Or let the prick play WITH himself, althought he is probably doing that already.

Oh Crap
Jan 7 2007, 12:29 AM
LOL... when I said I wanted to play (not engage) I meant that I wanted to get away from this suit from hell that I'm working on. I DON'T WANNA WORK ON IT NO MO.. calling 1-800-WHAH

gagran
Jan 7 2007, 01:19 AM
QUOTE(Harpo @ Jan 7 2007, 12:20 AM) *

QUOTE(myaikenback @ Jan 6 2007, 08:34 PM) *

QUOTE(Oh Crap @ Jan 6 2007, 10:01 PM) *

I have not been to this joker's blog yet. Anybody got a link? I might feel like playing later.


I think it would be wise to let the prick play by himself.


Or let the prick play WITH himself, althought he is probably doing that already.



rofl_2.gif rofl_2.gif rofl_2.gif

sansue
Jan 7 2007, 01:24 AM
It looks like 'Claymates' are not responding the way that JP and Groucho told Mr. Varney they would.

I am so glad that the 'Claymates' are not responding. Seems like we are finally getting the message 16izml2.gif


I think they expected to be deluged with e mails and phone calls 'defending' Clay. They didn't expect to be ignored,IMHO
[/quote]

Love it!! tongue.gif

Clover
Jan 7 2007, 09:12 AM
QUOTE(musicvixen @ Jan 6 2007, 03:16 PM) *

I think they expected to be deluged with e mails and phone calls 'defending' Clay. They didn't expect to be ignored,IMHO

I'm a bit confused by the above statement. There are over 600+ comments on JV's blog (just a few of which I skimmed through) while his other blogs have only a smattering of comments. I've also seen the follow-up comments that JV has posted that have been brought over here. Those posts indicate that he has received "hundreds of e-mails in support of his blog" and that he has enough info about the "over the top 'mates'" to write two more blogs.

That doesn't sound like being ignored! That sounds exactly like he is being deluged by fans and foes alike....just what he was hoping for, no doubt!

Chexxxy
Jan 7 2007, 09:36 AM
QUOTE(Clover @ Jan 7 2007, 06:12 AM) *

QUOTE(musicvixen @ Jan 6 2007, 03:16 PM) *

I think they expected to be deluged with e mails and phone calls 'defending' Clay. They didn't expect to be ignored,IMHO

I'm a bit confused by the above statement. There are over 600+ comments on JV's blog (just a few of which I skimmed through) while his other blogs have only a smattering of comments. I've also seen the follow-up comments that JV has posted that have been brought over here. Those posts indicate that he has received "hundreds of e-mails in support of his blog" and that he has enough info about the "over the top 'mates'" to write two more blogs.

That doesn't sound like being ignored! That sounds exactly like he is being deluged by fans and foes alike....just what he was hoping for, no doubt!



Fans don't write to support his trashing of Clay and his fans. Read the claymate411 thread and see who's posting and e-mailing him. If anyone here is posting over there, that would really piss me off.

Clover
Jan 7 2007, 09:38 AM
I agree with you Chexxxy - that it's mostly the haters posting on JV's blog....but does JV know that? Does Fox know that?

What they're seeing is that hundreds of "crazy 'mates" are writing to defend Clay...so essentially, they are getting exactly what they were looking for...LOTS of attention.

Chexxxy
Jan 7 2007, 09:46 AM
Put it into perspective. Go back and look at the comments and count how many individual posters there are. Percocet and mpslc make up the majority of them. The sad fact is that some people think they can reason with them or they post to "get the truth" out there. It only fuels the argument. If they had nobody to mock and argue with the thread would be boring. Why can't some people understand that?

He deletes those comments anyway, so they fueled the argument and their posts disappear. The people who are reading there would see that it was all over the top haters and dismiss the blog but no. Some people have to be heroes and fight with them.

The same thing happened at PH early last year and at JPs later on. Those people made it 100 times worse than if they just shut up. Sorry I'm ranting but it's not a difficult concept. Arghh!!

Truth Rules
Jan 7 2007, 09:50 AM
Remember Emach and her soul sistas email campaign after AI2 to make us look bad and over the top Clay fans? Yes, there may be a few legitimate complaints from real fans but my guess is it's Emach and her crew, along with some new recruits, at it again. I don't buy her protests of not being involved. From what I read on another private board Jeff has pretty much proven he has blinders on and has only one motive. He's looking for dirt on Clay and that's all he will find acceptable.

Birdie9
Jan 7 2007, 09:51 AM
QUOTE
I agree with you Chexxxy - that it's mostly the haters posting on JV's blog....but does JV know that? Does Fox know that?


That's what Chexxxy told him on the blog...if he's not to dumb to "get it."

Chexxxy
Jan 7 2007, 10:01 AM
I agree, Truth, it is 99% the haters but there are a few self appointed heroes that are doing damage too. If JV only got haters comments on there from the time they arrived en masse and the defenders deserted the blog it would not have reinforced the haters claims like it did and would give them nothing to mock. If they post as both crazy fans and as haters, the blog owner can see that in the stats.

If people want to do good for Clay they should post on positive blogs and avoid the assholes entirely. Start a positive blog of your own. Talk about the good things. Fill the blogosphere with who Clay's fans really are. Arguing with haters and assholes gives them more opportunity to bash and hurt Clay and it makes the fans look nuts.

Look at all of the positive blogs that have spung up since March. That was no accident. Those blogs at the OFC are nice and all but the public doesn't see them. We are fans already at OFC. I started back in March to encourage people to blog in the public blogosphere and it's working. If you want to help Clay and get the world to see him for the good and fabulously talented man he is, then tell it in a blog. Use your voice but not to argue with sociopaths. it's a waaaste of your time.

Truth Rules
Jan 7 2007, 10:20 AM
QUOTE
there are a few self appointed heroes that are doing damage too


No argument from me on that. I too wish they would stop.

For the record, I have not posted on any of those blogs and cringe every time I see someone using TRUTH as part of the screen name. It ain't me!!!

Sandy
Jan 7 2007, 10:22 AM
Remember the People article.

He said something like (don't remember the exact quote) he tried to laugh it off but it would'nt end.

I wonder if he was talking about the fans who kept arguing with the haters as much as the haters
themselves.

claylily
Jan 7 2007, 10:25 AM
I am looking for a link also to this jerk's website. Does anyone have it? Thanks.

nevertoomuch
Jan 7 2007, 11:17 AM
QUOTE(Chexxxy @ Jan 7 2007, 10:01 AM) *

I agree, Truth, it is 99% the haters but there are a few self appointed heroes that are doing damage too. If JV only got haters comments on there from the time they arrived en masse and the defenders deserted the blog it would not have reinforced the haters claims like it did and would give them nothing to mock. If they post as both crazy fans and as haters, the blog owner can see that in the stats.

If people want to do good for Clay they should post on positive blogs and avoid the assholes entirely. Start a positive blog of your own. Talk about the good things. Fill the blogosphere with who Clay's fans really are. Arguing with haters and assholes gives them more opportunity to bash and hurt Clay and it makes the fans look nuts.

Look at all of the positive blogs that have spung up since March. That was no accident. ... I started back in March to encourage people to blog in the public blogosphere and it's working. If you want to help Clay and get the world to see him for the good and fabulously talented man he is, then tell it in a blog. Use your voice but not to argue with sociopaths. it's a waaaste of your time.


Your comments are quite logical. One thing is to read what the haters are saying, but trying to argue with them is giving them exactly what they want, attention, and then the hate stays in the limelight. Defenders would just be adding fuel to the fire. I understand people's frustration though when they do read all the hurtful things, your heart tells you that Clay needs the help of his fans, that we can't just be silent and let it go unaddressed. But going unaddressed is what gets it to die a much quicker death and the topic becomes boring.

I agree writing your own Blog is the best defense in spreading all of Clay's great accomplishments and his amazing talent. And, if you're like me and don't feel you are equipped to write your own Blog, then go to the Positive Blogs that were started and read what they have to say and add your comments to those. The more hits they have, the more the Blogs will be on top and curious onlookers with go check them out and discover what an amazing human being Clay Aiken is!!!!

I can't believe that people like PH and JV end up having some sort of celebrity status from trashing people, when they themselves have nothing to be proud of in their contributions to society. They're people who are whining that they were bullied, have no self-worth of their own, and see it as their right to trash on whomever they feel has somehow in their mind slighted them. Even if it wasn't directed to them personally they somehow feel they are the moral compass to judge people on how they should be running their lives. And they do this with information that is made up from someone who wants their own 15 minutes of fame. And when they realize they are wrong they would never come back and apologize for falling into the trap of "believing everything you read."

I hope my last paragraph isn't too confusing, I'm just venting, and this is the place to do it.

Oh Crap
Jan 7 2007, 11:18 AM
Sandy, I don't think the fans had anything to do with the statement that Clay made. This is a methodical, time planned attack and was and is going to happen no matter what the fans do. The blogs stayed silent for a while when lizard face closed his blog. I did 2 blogs since Thanksgiving and neither had anything to do with the smear or JP or haters, etc. Our silence doesn't enter into their picture. Whomever is behind this is going to keep on doing it. I have yet to go to the Claymate411 blog yet they posted that I was there. The idiots and the gay mafia...now there's a pair. We could sit silent and they will keep it going by pretending to be us. That's what they do when we ignore them. Nobody wants to give them or Varner the time of day so they do their usual thing. Post in their own vile personalities, post as someone else in agreement with themselves, post as a Clay fan arguing with themselves, then post as a former fan sympathiser. That's their pattern. They help themselves to our screen names and pretend to be specific fans.

Truth Rules
Jan 7 2007, 11:29 AM
What Oh Crap says is true. They played games on both our blogs using our own names to post their comments. One jerk tried posting a vile comment on my blog using MY name. How stupid can you be to think I would notice.

Truth Rules
Jan 7 2007, 11:31 AM
Where's that edit button. That should have said I wouldn't notice - not I would. tantrum2.gif

Birdie9
Jan 7 2007, 11:32 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-dantoni/...fo_b_11790.html

QUOTE
How to Make Up Stories for the Tabloids, Fox News, etc. (32 comments )
When I was making up stories for one of the supermarket tabloids in the mid-1980s, little did I know that I was making up a template for others to follow, to use and prosper and with which take over America, however temporarily. This template has been used by many Republicans, by Rush Limbaugh, by Bill O’Reilly and his colleagues at Fox News, by foreign religious zealots and similar American Christian fanatics, by The Lincoln Group and of course many American newspapers who fail to check the accuracy of their reporters closely, if at all.


This template served me well as I wrote classics like “Rabid Nun Infects Entire Convent,” which happens to also be the title of a book I wrote on the subject of tabloid journalism. Ok, not capital “J” Journalism, but apparent journalism, let’s say.

Stories like “Grandma Turns Pet Dog Inside Out Looking for Lost Lottery Ticket,” “Woman Gets Pregnant, Has Baby Same Day,” and “Cult Uses Human Heads for Bowling Balls” all followed this simple template.

Here are the Rules:

First: Make up something false. It doesn’t matter how whacked-out it is, or how patently false to anyone with half-a-brain.

Second: Put it in a context that people are comfortable with. If it’s for a newspaper, write it so that it really really sounds like a newspaper story, with quotes, even. Make it sound like you have multiple sources, even though you’re pulling out of your butt.

The same goes for TV. It’s always best to have a distinguished-looking person read it, or a forceful one. Or one who shouts a lot and of whom people will be afraid not to believe upon penalty of being bitten. He (or a bleach-blonde she) doesn’t have to actually be an actual journalist at all. A good way to go is to find someone who has recently been a journalist, come from another network, and can provide sufficient credibility when he or she delivers the lies that you have pulled from your butt.

Third: Tell the story a lot. Play the story over and over if it’s for TV. The more you play it, the more people will believe it. Find a way to re-write that lie repeatedly if it’s for print. The average attention span of those inclined to swallow your lie is approximately seven seconds, and his frame of reference is tends to be in the last-fifteen-minutes range.

The big lie, told often, becomes truth after a while. I think Machiavelli said that, or Stalin. Rove, maybe? It might have been Nick Tosches.

Fourth: Pander to the worst in people. Work their fears, their ignorance and perverse pleasures. A worst-case scenario always worked for me. Predicting a worst-case scenario has worked for politicians since antiquity, be it Mongol hordes or mushroom clouds on the horizon.

Fifth: Quote somebody whom others do not know, or will never check. Hardly anybody checks anything. It’s better to jump on board the bus and run with an outrageous story. Some editors will just let things slide. Other editors or news directors have instructions from on high.

Sixth: Make them feel a very big emotion. Get their blood boiling. Make them cry. My stories “Clown Ghosts Save Dying Boy,” and “Dead Daughter Leaves Message of Love on Daddy’s VCR,” are examples that can never fail to bring tears to those easily fooled.

Gross them out. My stories “Man Sells Bodies from Chemical Disaster to Starving Ethiopians as Meat for Prepared Meals,” and “Bandit Steals False Teeth from the Mouths of Elderly Victims,” are prime examples of this technique. The ability to tell a story in a way that makes the audience react emotionally will keep you employed.

Seventh: Whenever possible, get somebody not connected with your organization to deliver your lie. Pay them well to plant stories, or to give opinions supporting your lies. Pay newspapers cash to run stories you’ve made up.

Eighth: Under no circumstances admit you were wrong or that your butt comprises your two independent sources. When someone comes at you with the real facts, call them names. Impugn their patriotism. Imply that they’re mentally ill. Divert all attention from your story. Make them the story. Make yourself the story. Do anything to avoid the truth.

Not all of these rules applied to the tabloid stories I wrote, but they are good rules and true. If you follow them closely, you too can become the next Stephen Glass and get serious backend money on the movie. You could get Random House to pay to make a book out of your lies, as I did.

Or you could get some fool elected president and start a war.

It’s easy.


I brought this over. It's linked on my blog. By the way, if anyone wants to start a new positive blog, I will be happy to link it on my site. Just pm me with the url. The more links you have to your site the more it comes up in searches.

Oh Crap
Jan 7 2007, 11:40 AM
Funny you should mention Huffington Post. I checked my sitemeter this morning and there are tons of hits coming from that site. I thought it was a little strange so I went there and saw Lizard face posts over there. I backed away very quickly.

queenp
Jan 7 2007, 11:44 AM
I admit it. I posted once on Varner's blog.

I'm a local viewer of his FOX station, and I felt I had every right to let him know what I thought of him letting the haters use him and his blog for their purposes. I think I told him not to be so gullible. tongue.gif

I believe I also told him that I was disappointed that he didn't report the WHOLE story instead of just one side of it. I know I told him that he'd lost a viewer.

That was the first and last time I posted there. I've never visited his blog again, and I never will. He loves the hits he gets, but I love NOT giving him any more hits. smile.gif

Birdie9
Jan 7 2007, 11:44 AM
QUOTE
Lizard face
?

Initials please.

Oh Crap
Jan 7 2007, 11:51 AM
Initials? Must I? How about frog eyes or buttboi or he who hath 2 inch floppy or Purple Gherkin?

nevertoomuch
Jan 7 2007, 12:00 PM
QUOTE(Birdie9 @ Jan 7 2007, 11:32 AM) *

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-dantoni/...fo_b_11790.html

QUOTE
How to Make Up Stories for the Tabloids, Fox News, etc. (32 comments )
When I was making up stories for one of the supermarket tabloids in the mid-1980s, little did I know that I was making up a template for others to follow, to use and prosper and with which take over America, however temporarily. This template has been used by many Republicans, by Rush Limbaugh, by Bill O’Reilly and his colleagues at Fox News, by foreign religious zealots and similar American Christian fanatics, by The Lincoln Group and of course many American newspapers who fail to check the accuracy of their reporters closely, if at all.


This template served me well as I wrote classics like “Rabid Nun Infects Entire Convent,” which happens to also be the title of a book I wrote on the subject of tabloid journalism. Ok, not capital “J” Journalism, but apparent journalism, let’s say.

Stories like “Grandma Turns Pet Dog Inside Out Looking for Lost Lottery Ticket,” “Woman Gets Pregnant, Has Baby Same Day,” and “Cult Uses Human Heads for Bowling Balls” all followed this simple template.

Here are the Rules:

First: Make up something false. It doesn’t matter how whacked-out it is, or how patently false to anyone with half-a-brain.

Second: Put it in a context that people are comfortable with. If it’s for a newspaper, write it so that it really really sounds like a newspaper story, with quotes, even. Make it sound like you have multiple sources, even though you’re pulling out of your butt.

The same goes for TV. It’s always best to have a distinguished-looking person read it, or a forceful one. Or one who shouts a lot and of whom people will be afraid not to believe upon penalty of being bitten. He (or a bleach-blonde she) doesn’t have to actually be an actual journalist at all. A good way to go is to find someone who has recently been a journalist, come from another network, and can provide sufficient credibility when he or she delivers the lies that you have pulled from your butt.

Third: Tell the story a lot. Play the story over and over if it’s for TV. The more you play it, the more people will believe it. Find a way to re-write that lie repeatedly if it’s for print. The average attention span of those inclined to swallow your lie is approximately seven seconds, and his frame of reference is tends to be in the last-fifteen-minutes range.

The big lie, told often, becomes truth after a while. I think Machiavelli said that, or Stalin. Rove, maybe? It might have been Nick Tosches.

Fourth: Pander to the worst in people. Work their fears, their ignorance and perverse pleasures. A worst-case scenario always worked for me. Predicting a worst-case scenario has worked for politicians since antiquity, be it Mongol hordes or mushroom clouds on the horizon.

Fifth: Quote somebody whom others do not know, or will never check. Hardly anybody checks anything. It’s better to jump on board the bus and run with an outrageous story. Some editors will just let things slide. Other editors or news directors have instructions from on high.

Sixth: Make them feel a very big emotion. Get their blood boiling. Make them cry. My stories “Clown Ghosts Save Dying Boy,” and “Dead Daughter Leaves Message of Love on Daddy’s VCR,” are examples that can never fail to bring tears to those easily fooled.

Gross them out. My stories “Man Sells Bodies from Chemical Disaster to Starving Ethiopians as Meat for Prepared Meals,” and “Bandit Steals False Teeth from the Mouths of Elderly Victims,” are prime examples of this technique. The ability to tell a story in a way that makes the audience react emotionally will keep you employed.

Seventh: Whenever possible, get somebody not connected with your organization to deliver your lie. Pay them well to plant stories, or to give opinions supporting your lies. Pay newspapers cash to run stories you’ve made up.

Eighth: Under no circumstances admit you were wrong or that your butt comprises your two independent sources. When someone comes at you with the real facts, call them names. Impugn their patriotism. Imply that they’re mentally ill. Divert all attention from your story. Make them the story. Make yourself the story. Do anything to avoid the truth.

Not all of these rules applied to the tabloid stories I wrote, but they are good rules and true. If you follow them closely, you too can become the next Stephen Glass and get serious backend money on the movie. You could get Random House to pay to make a book out of your lies, as I did.

Or you could get some fool elected president and start a war.

It’s easy.


I brought this over. It's linked on my blog. By the way, if anyone wants to start a new positive blog, I will be happy to link it on my site. Just pm me with the url. The more links you have to your site the more it comes up in searches.


I think I understand why you brought this Blog over, Birdie9, to prove that people can make up whatever they want and get away with it, but I gotta say I don't like your choice of example. This is the most partisan post you could ever read. So, if your Repulican your automatically considered to be spreading lies, but if you're liberal then whatever you post is truth and republicans try to twist it as being false?????

I'm a republican, and I'm sorry Birdie9, but I find his entire blog offensive. This person is as big a hypocrite as JP, JV and PH. I find anything he says just as credible as anything they say or write, which means ZILCH!

It's bad enough having to read all the crap people write about Clay and trying to be sane about it, I would disappointed that its going to be made political too.

JMO, but I needed to say it anyway! Take it for what it is, a rant.

nevertoomuch
Jan 7 2007, 12:11 PM
Oh great, over at claymate411, his lead blog is "Here are some very credible sounding comments that were posted on Jeff Varner's blog:
Ick-to-the-Clay
Jan 6, 2007 5:16 AM"

He's now quoting Groucho as "credible!" I won't bother posting what Groucho posted as it's already been posted elsewhere on this Board. It just keeps on going, though, doesn't it? pullhair.gif


ZIGGY
Jan 7 2007, 12:14 PM
I'm beginning to notice a pattern here. Everytime Clay Nation is giddy with great Clay news - someone comes along to stir shit up! What the hell is wrong with these people - is JV the new JPaulass?? ARG!!! Please make it go away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Birdie9
Jan 7 2007, 12:44 PM
QUOTE
Initials? Must I? How about frog eyes or buttboi or he who hath 2 inch floppy or Purple Gherkin?


That is perfectly sufficient, Oh Crap. Thanks.

QUOTE
I think I understand why you brought this Blog over, Birdie9, to prove that people can make up whatever they want and get away with it, but I gotta say I don't like your choice of example. This is the most partisan post you could ever read. So, if your Repulican your automatically considered to be spreading lies, but if you're liberal then whatever you post is truth and republicans try to twist it as being false?????

I'm a republican, and I'm sorry Birdie9, but I find his entire blog offensive. This person is as big a hypocrite as JP, JV and PH. I find anything he says just as credible as anything they say or write, which means ZILCH!

It's bad enough having to read all the crap people write about Clay and trying to be sane about it, I would disappointed that its going to be made political too.

JMO, but I needed to say it anyway! Take it for what it is, a rant.


Nevertoomuch, I brought it over to show just how easily things are made up...strickly the tabloid and Fox News (liked that he included that) comment aspects; They even have a formula. It was not intended to bring up politics in any way, shape or form. I agree that he is a hypocrite and I would like to add "sleeze," to his resume, which it is my opinion the article, itself, reveals. I certainly did not bring it to offend anyone; I'm sorry if I did.

Birdie9
Jan 7 2007, 12:52 PM
With no edit button, I came back to say, I was seeing tactics used in Clay's smear campaign, not Republicans, when I read the article. You know how Claymates are; we think everything is about Clay.

lmao.gif

myaikenback
Jan 7 2007, 01:21 PM
Birdie, I never read it as a political statement either. When it was first posted, way back at the beginning of this crap, I read it as how JP, PH, et al were running their campaign against Clay.

I guess I wasn't concerned about the political aspects of it.

Sandy
Jan 7 2007, 01:26 PM
I'm beginning to notice a pattern here. Everytime Clay Nation is giddy with great Clay news - someone comes along to stir shit up! What the hell is wrong with these people - is JV the new JPaulass?? ARG!!! Please make it go away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know Ziggy, I was thinking the same thing the other day especially since the same haters seem to
be at JV's blog.

Sandy
Jan 7 2007, 01:30 PM

Personally, I saw that blog as 8 ways to fool the american public.

nevertoomuch
Jan 7 2007, 01:58 PM
Birdie said: "Nevertoomuch, I brought it over to show just how easily things are made up...strickly the tabloid and Fox News (liked that he included that) comment aspects; They even have a formula. It was not intended to bring up politics in any way, shape or form. I agree that he is a hypocrite and I would like to add "sleeze," to his resume, which it is my opinion the article, itself, reveals. I certainly did not bring it to offend anyone; I'm sorry if I did."

I know you didn't mean to offend anyone Birdie, it was just my immediate reaction to the very first paragraph with this guy basically saying the people who were copying his example of how to make shit up were republicans. I guess its a sensitive issue for me.

I know in reading the blog as a whole it definitely is a perfect example of how people (all kinds) get away with making shit up whenever they feel like it, just like JP, JV, PH and Groucho for that matter. And, I know that is the reason you brought it here, so don't worry about it.

If Chexxxy wants to delete my post she's welcome to it, cause I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings either. I don't want to turn things political either.

Thanks for listening!

Birdie9
Jan 7 2007, 02:15 PM
QUOTE
If Chexxxy wants to delete my post she's welcome to it, cause I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings either. I don't want to turn things political either.

Thanks for listening!


Well, I'm not Chexxxy, but if I were, I would not want to delete it. That's what we are here for, to listen to each other. You did not hurt my feelings. I try not to take things personally. We are all just so frustrated because of the situation with the asshats.

Truth Rules
Jan 7 2007, 02:21 PM
QUOTE(nevertoomuch @ Jan 7 2007, 12:11 PM) *

Oh great, over at claymate411, his lead blog is "Here are some very credible sounding comments that were posted on Jeff Varner's blog:
Ick-to-the-Clay
Jan 6, 2007 5:16 AM"

He's now quoting Groucho as "credible!" I won't bother posting what Groucho posted as it's already been posted elsewhere on this Board. It just keeps on going, though, doesn't it? pullhair.gif



Reminds me of when perez quoted frogface as a reliable source. One lies and the other swears to it.

Oh Crap
Jan 7 2007, 02:30 PM
In Groucho's case it's One voice in his head lies and another one of his voices swears to it.

misstacky
Jan 7 2007, 02:37 PM
Wasn't Varner the one on Survivor who expecting to get voted off secretly took all thirteen fish the tribe had caught for dinner? I think he was voted off about halfway in the series.

Medusa
Jan 7 2007, 03:51 PM
I believe the Joshua/Greensboro story was just an excuse for Varner to get into the Clay gossip. Another attempt at "outing" him.

I think this is his real reason for the blog:

QUOTE
JeffVarner
Jan 7, 2007 3:02 PM

re: entertainment hiding. i think most PTB cater to the average joe and assume that average viewer, or ticket purchaser will be turned off by certain "facts" about people. i think a lot of it comes from fear of opposition. in my six years as a working journalist, i'm shocked at the number of reporters and news managers who don't report the "controversial" topics for fear of cutting off a segment of the audience or pissing off some entities public relations people. that's not what we're tasked to do.

i think most of it comes from fear really--fear of a career going away, fear of a paycheck being obstructed. in entertainment you want to cater to a mass audience, and it's unfortunate, but we live in a nation where a lot of that mass can't allow people to be who they are. rosie o'donnell gets huge numbers. ellen degeneres gets huge numbers. but if they had "come out" before they hit it big, suits would've kept them down. fear! our audiences are much more forgiving and mature than a lot of decision makers give them credit for. i mean, movie goers gladly made mel gibson's latest movie number one at the box office despite he broke the law, pounded the po-po and defamed an entire race. think about it.

dan rather* unfortunately went out with a dud, despite a huge, impressive, and rarely matched body of work. but the greatest thing the man ever projected onto our society was the call for COURAGE. despite his exit, he was on to something.

QUOTE

JeffVarner
Jan 7, 2007 3:07 PM

regarding clay's web cam shots, i have no opinion or comment. if anyone gets their jollies finding love or sex online, it's their business, not mine. but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know...if a celebrity gets caught in one of those unfortunate webcam situations, they more than likely won't admit it. don't you agree?

Medusa
Jan 7 2007, 03:56 PM
*I don't know what Dan Rather has to do with anything. But, whatever...

Varner's motives are clear.

Please don't post at Varner's blog. We need to give him as little attention as possible. He is just another trouble-maker. Ignore. Ignore. Ignore.

enigma
Jan 7 2007, 06:13 PM
QUOTE(Medusa @ Jan 7 2007, 02:56 PM) *

....Please don't post at Varner's blog. We need to give him as little attention as possible. He is just another trouble-maker. Ignore. Ignore. Ignore.

ITA....please ignore him....please no one post there. There are enough "pretend" fans posting there...as well as the genuine haters...real fans don't need to go there.

Sandy
Jan 7 2007, 06:52 PM
Varner agenda is simple - He thinks that he will be the big hero by being the only one who could out Clay. He will then be propelled to the national spotlight and become a reporter on a national level with a major network.

Oh Crap
Jan 7 2007, 06:54 PM
..or he will be just another gay blogger caught with his pants down pulling lies out of his butt.

marker
Jan 7 2007, 06:55 PM
I do not consider Mr. Varner a journalist even though he
considers himself one. He is taking the cheap and easy
way to put his name out there. Unfortunately, Mr. Varner
and everyone like him are too lazy to do the hard and
sometimes dangerous work of a real journalist.

Sandy
Jan 7 2007, 07:46 PM
Oh Crap and Marker - agree with you both but what I'm saying is that is what JV likely believes in his
twisted mind. I hope and pray that no major network would give this creep the time of day, but look at
PH who would have thought he'd end up on GMA.

Maybe thats what JV wants to be the new PH. God help him (and us) if thats what he considers legimate
journalism.

Gwennn
Jan 7 2007, 08:15 PM
The Claymate411 blog is stretching this story as far as they can, they have posted 2 blogs related to Varner today alone! They are in the Claymate411 section of blogs, go see it, it is getting worse everyday!!

Two Tales of Clay Aiken, Three Years Apart

Below you will find two different accounts of what Clay Aiken is like from people who knew him before he became famous. Although years apart, the two stories tell remarkably similar tales.

Far too similar to be mere coincidence.

They state what many reasonable, thinking people have come to realize. Clay Aiken is a pissy diva and always has been.

First from 2003:

Golly, leave the boards for just a few hours...As to my own personal experiences with Clayton, pre-AI, let me preface by just saying that by no means do i think he is a bad person. One would be hard-pressed to find any performer without an embarrasing, dark and/or "evil" side. In fact, many celebrities almost seem to relish in their less than shining moments.So, I certainly don't care about any and every unseemly thing Clay may have done in the past. He is certainly entitled to his mistakes. It's just that part of the appeal he has, and one that has been trumpeted and used as a marketing tool, is the idea that Clay is some sort of squeaky-clean role-model, who can do no wrong.Now, there are those of us who knew him back when he still went by the name Clayton Grissom, and he was polarizing people even then. I worked with him on at least three occasions on theatrical projects, which are by their very nature - collaborations, (people working together for a final project). Clayton suffered from an inability to shut up, listen and learn. He knew better than everyone else. He would engage in the cardinal sin of "directing" others in the productions, or at least trying to. He was arrogant, snarky, and was perceived by some as a bit of a jerk.Not the kind of jerk you hate, but the kind that you just try to avoid. I know of at least one instance where he upset a younger girl with his "bitter sarcasm", but most of the time his gossipy and hurtful comments were made behind others backs. The more mature people in the cast took anything he said with a grain of salt. I'm sure there are many people who don't appreciate being looked down upon from on high. Basically, in my opinion, he just wasn't a pleasant person to be around at the time.Part of it was no doubt due to some sort of insecurity problems he may have been dealing with, and part of it is natural for many guys in their teens and twentys who are still figuring things out. On reflection, I feel he was very immature for his age, still apt to throw a temper tantrum if things weren't going his way. (I witnessed at least one such instance). I believe he was a freshman in high school at the time.Do I feel he should be crucified for past transgressions? Absolutely not. He should be allowed to be imperfect like everyone else is. I just find it astonishing that he would want to take on the mantle of "boy-next-door, All-American kid, squeaky-clean role model". That's not the guy I knew, and apparently even as late as last year, he was still having trouble getting cast in productions, as he was seen as "difficult to work with".But he's grown up! He's changed! I can hear the responses already. To that, let me just say that perhaps he has, but since so much of what bothered me about him in the past was the superior attitude and expression that he was so much better than everybody else, to hear certain areas of the media pontificate on his "divineness" rubs me the wrong way. Probably also explains why he gets so much flack from certain other areas of the media. I'm sure a lot of people don't like it when someone acts that way.I've heard certain stories about his experimenting back in Charlotte, but lacking an actual source, its really only second-hand information. Whether he is or not, I would not doubt that he has some problems with intimacy. I'm sure a psychiatrist would have a field day delving into his psyche.It does bother me that the term "gay" and "ugly" gets used so often in relation to Clay as an insult. It's a rather weak insult, and deals with things out of his control, so its kinda unfair. (See, I'll stick up for the guy when he's been wronged). Now, glory-note-holding-megalomaniac I'd have no problem with! LOLAnd for the record... I may have shared a dressing room or two with him, but would never have had any interest in finding out what he smelled like...Edited to remove possible generalizations, as tis better to err on the side of caution. Besides if Shack closes down the thread, where could one go for Clay-snark!

This post has been edited by Adric on Dec 1, 2003 @ 5:14 pm

And this from 2006:

Here's the thing that amuses me. I knew Clay Aiken when he himself was actually 15, and I was struck by just how immature he was. He wasn't cast in a theatre role which he obviously felt he was right for, so he ended up in the chorus. After all, when he auditioned he said he would be willing to take any role, and while he may have been disappointed in not getting one of the lead roles, it was astounding how much of a grudge he seemed to carry.He was constantly whining, putting down the guy who got the role he wanted, making "snarky" comments about others in the cast, (one was even to the face of a 12-year-old girl, who was reduced to tears on one occasion, aside from that, he reserved his painful put-downs behind his fellow cast members backs.) He carried a huge superiority complex, thought he was too good for the show, and certainly didn't believe in teamwork. When one of the tech crew, who had grown increasingly weary of Clay's immature antics, decided to hide his stuffed Sylvester cat from out of his dressing room, Clay broke down and threw a temper tantrum. He was "only" 15-years of age at the time, but he acted like a spoiled brat of 7.Needless to say, his frustration over not being cast in the next two shows he auditoned for was in no small part due to him being a difficult person to work with. No one wanted to be around his negative energy, and his bitterness.I had hoped he had outgrown his "issues", but these continuing stories of his "diva"ish attitude doesn't inspire me with any confidence.Clay's fans, those few he has left, should be willing to at least acknowledge that Clay at 15 was every bit as repulsive as they claim Joshua is. If this viewpoint is all new to you, then understand that his "memoirs" conveniently ignored certain actions on his part that were less than endearing.His sore attitude did him no favors.

Posted at 2:18PM on Dec 30th 2006 by Rachel from Raleigh0 stars--

http://ww.tmz.com/2006/12/28/cla...rican-a-hole/ 14

Clay Aiken Gets Smacked Down on Jeff Varner's Blog

Here are some very credible sounding comments that were posted on Jeff Varner's blog:

Ick-to-the-Clay

Jan 6, 2007 5:16 AM

I will be very direct, clear, and get straight to the point: I know Clay Aiken personally and professionally, the staff at his management company (SAM), and his record label - RCA. I'm part of the entertainment machine in Hollywood with access to almost every music industry staffer, artist, and executive. NOONE in the music business in America is more reviled or despised than Clay Aiken - and that includes the likes of accused pedophiles like R Kelly and Michael Jackson. Simon Renshaw, Aiken's manager despises him. Clive Davis, head of RMG Music Group (RCA) despises him. Every member of the staff at Aiken's label and management company hate him. Clay is an unbearably miserable person to be around. He's assinine, pretentious, rude, obnoxious, silly, and completely self absorbed to the point of sociopathic disease and it is well known by the entire Hollywood showbusiness community. Clay Aiken's career will never recover from it's current tailspin. Clay Aiken is so reviled by the artistic community noone wants to be associated with him in any professional project. Aiken has stigmatized himself to the point of almost complete ostracism. Aiken has burned ALL bridges to the mainstream music business. Writers don't want to write for him, producers won't work with him, and musicians won't allow their names to be associated with any of his projects. Whatever success he finds from now on will be confined to the small niche of his dwindling fanbase. Aiken's personal behavior with regard to his peers, his personal and professional relationships, his sexuality, his prof

Here’s a follow up post:

Ick-to-the-Clay

Jan 6, 2007 12:53 PM

Clay Aiken has not and can not deny any of the specific gay scandals allegations made against him because they are all true and if he denies them his accusers wil sue him, present their evidence and prevail in the litigation. From day one of the scandal both Aiken's management and label knew the allegations were true. Aiken would not answer questions about the allegations from either his management company or his label. They were left to wonder what was happening in Aiken's personal life and could only surmise the stories were true. Aiken refused to return calls from his management and label about the scandals details that were popping up in the tabloids and abruptly left the country on a month long vacation right in the middle of it. When Aiken returned he never answered the wuestions and his label and management never officially addressed the allegations.

http://community.myfoxwghp.com/blogs/JeffVarner/2006/12/27/Clay_Clay_Clay_Why_must_we_be_that_way?page_no=31